From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JdPo1-0003TQ-GF for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:00:09 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9CB0BE0670; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:00:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78244E0670 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:00:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.143] (cable-186-3.zeelandnet.nl [82.176.186.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789DF6694B for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:00:06 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <47E6545A.8080605@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 14:00:10 +0100 From: Ben de Groot Organization: Gentoo Linux User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080228) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Why no updates on delay of 2008.0 release References: <200803211020.45551.roy@marples.name> <20080321103711.GA8418@gentoo.org> <200803211207.24347.roy@marples.name> <47E4DF2F.2030304@gentoo.org> <000701c88c89$db499560$91dcc020$@org> <47E64A69.7090203@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <47E64A69.7090203@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: bfd9d83b-adea-4a79-9a6b-7b6b16b7df21 X-Archives-Hash: 996e22aa7c513434e6d477fe193f6861 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Richard Freeman wrote: |>> ... I don't think there is any excuse not to update the published |>> release schedule,... | | | |> the update is simple: the untimely and quite unexpected surgical |> "complication" resulting in the death of my mother has set back a |> number of schedules, | | Lesson: Ask nicely before going into attack mode. Don't assume the | worst. Consequently, avoid putting foot in mouth... I did ask nicely. In the #gentoo-releng IRC channel. No action was taken, and coming across users every day who are wondering what is going on, is simply said frustrating. And you misunderstand, I'm not assuming the worst, I just was making my point forcefully, in order to communicate both the frustration of users left in the dark and of devs dealing with these users, as well as the need for action. It is not an attack, but a serious point of concern, that I strongly feel we need to take action about. I fully and wholeheartedly sympathize with musikc and wolf31o2. My condolences. You guys should deal with your family situation, that speaks for itself. Please don't misunderstand my OP as an attack. It wasn't directed at you at all. All I want, all most users want, is an announcement by somebody else from the releng team about the delay. | Try to remember that this is a volunteer-driven effort. If you want it | to stay vibrant we need to try to be nice to each other. There have | been many occasions where I've needed something from a gentoo dev - if | you ask nicely there is a good chance you'll get it, and if you | volunteer to help out in some way there is an even better chance. I completely understand we are all volunteers. You don't hear me saying "we have to keep to the release schedule no matter what". I understand that there are reasons for the delay (and in this case extremely serious reasons). You don't hear me complain about that. I went to the #gentoo-releng channel and suggested nicely that an announcement about the delay would be much appreciated. I also offered my help if there was anything I can do. I was told there isn't anything I can do, and that's fair enough. I just wanted to make my point that I'm willing to help, not just "complaining". | Sure, maybe some things could be improved. That is all I'm trying to achieve. | But, new blood is always welcome Of which I am a drop. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH5lRai+u7I1rvkiYRAnkhAJ9wCRx/klDFCdDgWCPBNoh+Bq/IAgCcCL94 /5UcqKQvbLERKKHLw+v1T2U= =+FBB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list