From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JZwZK-0006OA-4S for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:10:38 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D199E0952; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:10:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp03.tky.fi (smtp03.tky.fi [82.130.63.73]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B233E097E for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [82.130.46.205] ([82.130.46.205]) by smtp03.tky.fi (SMSSMTP 4.1.9.35) with SMTP id M2008031401102506580 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:10:25 +0200 Message-ID: <47D9B45F.5090600@gentoo.org> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:10:23 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?UGV0dGVyaSBSw6R0eQ==?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080301) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Help offered - Portage tree References: <1205445795.30618.1242298155@webmail.messagingengine.com> In-Reply-To: <1205445795.30618.1242298155@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 OpenPGP: url=http://users.tkk.fi/~praty/public.asc Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigDFAF3D76D4B3CD212369AED1" X-Archives-Salt: 2bfc5508-f0d4-4e4a-9a87-6211563f17d4 X-Archives-Hash: e2549c7af15e4e096ac7cb5269390dd5 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigDFAF3D76D4B3CD212369AED1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable davecode@nospammail.net kirjoitti: > Well I'm a newcomer to Gentoo and never heard of Sabayon (great project= > btw). Knowing no one here or there, nor any history: Never heard of and you say it's a great project? >=20 > This conversation reminds me of Human Resources. They always have > 'procedures' and 'career tracks.' Gentoo's chitchat about earning gold= > stars and brownie points is giving me HR sickness. You're asking > Michael Jordan to prove himself on the high school team. > You don't know Sabayon and can evaluate the skills of lxnay? >=20 > I've read Gentoo's new dev announcements about monkeys and paper > weights. People with a couple of small open-source projects. The > monkeys and paper weights get CVS rights. Then the chief architect of > Sabayon is scotched over bugzilla output? Please. That smells like ba= d > fish. The new dev announcements are traditionally written in a funky way. >=20 > Bugzillas are mostly good for non-devs to report bugs. I know zero > developers who first think to themselves, "ok, I need a project > bugzilla...then I can begin writing code." That isn't how development > works. > But I don't know any major project not having a bug reporting tool. >=20 > "So you don't have time to file bugs but you would have time to fix > them" is rhetoric. The issue is ROI. Why file bugzillas that some > "dev" authority figure may or may not fix in two years, when you can fi= x > the code yourself? > The perception of things rottening in bugzilla hasn't been proven. Here=20 are the response times to bug filed by lxnay in 2007 and 2008: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D160333 * first response in two days (and marked as WONTFIX but later reopened)= * interactions could be better on either sides https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D188024 * Fixed in two days https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D192786 * Fixed in 7 hours after patch submission https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D193337 * Your "expert" is missing basic ebuild knowledge --> WORKSFORME * 9 minutes https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D199886 * little under two months (yes this is too long) https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D211324 * Been open a couple of weeks waiting for other changes (borderline) We do have lots of stuff that rot in bugzilla in many cases they are=20 requests for new ebuilds and not problems with existing ebuilds. >=20 > If you want to call him a Gentoo developer, then do so ASAP, and give > him CVS. He knows what he is doing and filing bugzillas is a waste of > talent. If you let him fix his own bugzillas he might go for that. >=20 There is nothing stopping him from taking the quizzes as any other new=20 dev. If he is as good say you he is, answering the quizzes won't take lon= g. >=20 > You need to attract people like this and if bugzilla isn't working, > think up something new. >=20 Bugzilla isn't the only way new people come in. > > If you dislike his CVS mods you can always revert, take votes, etc. Bu= t > I say +1 let him have at it. >=20 Very useful after it has already been synced to tons of machines and=20 users are hitting our IRC channels with torches. 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