From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JVeDB-0007PH-U8 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 02:46:02 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4BAF0E00E5; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 02:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367CCE00E5 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 02:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gw.thefreemanclan.net ([71.242.211.138]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JX3009GQ10MHFM8@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 20:45:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw.thefreemanclan.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 347B21240CA for ; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:45:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:45:57 -0500 From: Richard Freeman Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for March In-reply-to: <47C9A4B4.4050703@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Message-id: <47CA14E5.4020501@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <20080301103002.A2AE266A22@smtp.gentoo.org> <47C9360A.9080806@gentoo.org> <200803011429.39223.welp@gentoo.org> <47C96B1F.9000805@gentoo.org> <47C99A1B.7020009@gentoo.org> <47C9A4B4.4050703@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080301) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: a53fdd62-b6dd-486b-a2ba-cb4796b5b014 X-Archives-Hash: bedd515f911f179401c9a201f1d81a6f Ra=FAl Porcel wrote: >=20 > IIRC you are from the blubb era, i'm i right? Blubb did a really god jo= b > with amd64, and in fact amd64 started 'slacking' since blubb left. > Unfortunately that doesn't work anymore, in a lot of bugs i've seen an > AT of yours posting his results, when i was going to do my arches. So i > was more faster even that i have no ATs. >=20 Yup - blubb is certainly missed. I can't point any fingers myself - I try to find and stabilize packages as I'm able to, but I can only spend so much time on gentoo. Every little bit helps though, even if I'm not high on the commits/day rankings. There are amd64 ATs out there - which brings up the other thread floating around. We need better ways to flag bugs that have been touched by an AT - for all I know there are a dozen open bugs that an AT has tested, but if there aren't any keywords or anything else I can query for, I can't get them stabilized. >=20 > Indeed, but on x86 we don't assume it either :) I don't understand how > you having so many users, have manpower problems, you have two channels > on IRC, x86 only has one and nobody says anything. > It's just a though, i'm not blaming anyone. >=20 My observation is that there are heavy-lifters who do a disproportionate share of the work. I'm certainly not one of them, and I really do appreciate these folks. If a heavy-lifter gives attention to something, it will shine. However, Gentoo is a volunteer-driven organization, and you can't order heavy-lifters to work on something in particular - it is their passion for what they choose to work on that makes them so effective. I guess what we need is processes that enable lots of small contributors to make a big difference - the bazzar approach. Another reply on this thread pointed out that it would be nice to be able to tell what packages people are using - if we could tell what is being used it would help guide stabilization without sacrificing testing (our users would be de-facto ATs without realizing it). The power of a thousand people doing very little can add up - many users would gladly sign up to have their packages monitored if it would help the gentoo caus= e. --=20 gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list