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From: Luca Barbato <lu_zero@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: EAPI definition Was: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:10:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <476A1555.9020902@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071220040753.31cf0c2e@blueyonder.co.uk>

Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:31:14 +0100
> Luca Barbato <lu_zero@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> Before spending even more time on it, could we try to come up with a
>> definition of what eapi is, which problem is trying to solve and put
>> that somewhere that isn't a long thread or an handful of threads
>> scattered across mailing lists.
> 
> An EAPI is a named set of rules telling a package manager how to deal
> with a particular ebuild and related files, and telling ebuilds upon
> what they may or may not rely from the package manager. It defines
> aspects of package manager / ebuild relation including metadata,
> environment and additional behavioural restrictions.
> 
> EAPI names are not orderable and have no meaning to the package manager
> other than their literal value.
> 
> EAPIs may be entirely incompatible with each other, or they may be mere
> extensions of a different EAPI, or they may be a subset of a different
> EAPI, or any combination thereof.
> 
> A cat/pkg-ver has exactly one EAPI. That EAPI belongs to the
> cat/pkg-ver as a whole, and is static across that cat/pkg-ver.
> 
> EAPI is part of a cat/pkg-ver's metadata. All existing EAPIs require
> that EAPI follows the environment invariancy rules.
> 
> If a package manager does not support a particular EAPI, the
> *only* thing it may assume is that it does not support that particular
> EAPI. It may not assume that it knows what any aspect of that
> cat/pkg-ver's metadata is, nor may it assume that it knows what cat,
> pkg or ver are.

Ok, that seems a fine definition of what an eapi is. Everybody agrees on it?

About the problem it is trying to solve, I think it basically boils down
to make sure the package manager:

- ignores ebuilds with syntax different from the one it can handle
- can be safely updated even in the situation the tree has ebuilds it
cannot parse.

eapi, as defined above, does address those point in the best way?
those point are what we are trying to address with eapi?


-- 

Luca Barbato
Gentoo Council Member
Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC
http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-20  7:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 299+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-17 22:20 [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI) Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-12-17 23:40 ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2007-12-17 23:52   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-18  0:10 ` Joe Peterson
2007-12-18  0:18   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-18  0:30     ` Joe Peterson
2007-12-18  0:39       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-18  9:36         ` Fabian Groffen
2007-12-18 10:03           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-18 20:38             ` Fabian Groffen
2007-12-18 23:59               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-19 14:18                 ` Luca Barbato
2007-12-19 20:27                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-18  0:36     ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2007-12-18  0:43       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-18  1:05         ` Joe Peterson
2007-12-18  1:14           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-18  1:46             ` Joe Peterson
2007-12-18 15:16               ` Marius Mauch
2007-12-18  1:01       ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
2007-12-18 21:08         ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2007-12-18 21:32           ` Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-12-18 21:41             ` Wulf C. Krueger
2007-12-19  0:09           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-19  7:12             ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2007-12-19 10:32               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-20  5:46                 ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2007-12-20  5:53                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-20 13:08                     ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2007-12-20 15:57                       ` Michael Haubenwallner
2007-12-21  0:34                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21 13:43                           ` Richard Freeman
2007-12-21 13:59                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-22  1:53                               ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-12-22  6:35                                 ` Steve Long
2007-12-22  7:12                                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-22  9:43                                     ` Duncan
2007-12-22 10:05                                   ` Duncan
2007-12-23 21:01                                     ` Steve Long
2007-12-24  8:31                                       ` Duncan
2007-12-21 14:01                             ` [gentoo-dev] " Thomas Anderson
2007-12-18 17:05       ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-12-18 17:21         ` Fernando J. Pereda
2007-12-19 10:26           ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-12-19 10:29             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-19 11:05               ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-12-19 11:16                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-20  0:07                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-12-20  3:50                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-20 12:48                       ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-12-20 13:06                         ` Richard Brown
2007-12-20 13:12                         ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
2007-12-20 13:18                           ` Fernando J. Pereda
2007-12-21  0:46                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21 13:31                           ` Richard Freeman
2007-12-21 18:52                             ` Petteri Räty
2007-12-22  0:59                           ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-12-22  7:25                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-22  8:55                               ` Zhang Le
2007-12-22  9:07                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-22 10:01                                   ` Zhang Le
2007-12-22 11:44                                     ` Fernando J. Pereda
2007-12-22 15:12                                       ` Richard Freeman
2007-12-22 17:26                                         ` Zhang Le
2007-12-23  4:46                                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-22 17:32                                       ` Zhang Le
2007-12-20  8:44                     ` [gentoo-dev] " Fernando J. Pereda
2007-12-20 18:27                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Zhang Le
2007-12-21  0:32                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
     [not found]                       ` <476B29A0.8090404@gentoo.org>
2007-12-21  3:04                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21  3:43                           ` Zhang Le
2007-12-20 18:45                   ` Zhang Le
2007-12-21  0:49                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21  2:14                       ` Luca Barbato
2007-12-21  2:23                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
     [not found]                           ` <476B2A54.8030606@gentoo.org>
2007-12-21  2:56                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21  3:51                               ` Zhang Le
2007-12-21  3:59                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21  4:20                                   ` Zhang Le
2007-12-21  4:26                                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-22  8:49                                       ` Zhang Le
2007-12-22  9:08                                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-22 10:05                                           ` Zhang Le
2007-12-24  1:22                                           ` Luca Barbato
     [not found]                           ` <476B2884.1020700@gentoo.org>
2007-12-21  2:57                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21 13:29                       ` Richard Freeman
2007-12-21 13:41                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-19 20:03                 ` Joe Peterson
2007-12-19 23:59                   ` Richard Freeman
2007-12-20  0:06                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-20  1:28                       ` Richard Freeman
2007-12-20  3:54                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-20  9:43                           ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-12-20  9:57                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-20 14:08                               ` Richard Freeman
2007-12-20 18:23                               ` Zhang Le
2007-12-20 13:56                           ` [gentoo-dev] Re: " Richard Freeman
2007-12-21  0:50                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-18  7:17     ` [gentoo-dev] " Ulrich Mueller
2007-12-18  7:29       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-18 21:30         ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2007-12-18 13:57       ` Joe Peterson
2007-12-18 14:24         ` Fernando J. Pereda
2007-12-18 17:37           ` Ulrich Mueller
2007-12-18 17:53             ` Santiago M. Mola
2007-12-18 18:20               ` Joe Peterson
2007-12-18 19:41                 ` Wulf C. Krueger
2007-12-20  8:22                 ` Daniel Pielmeier
2007-12-18 17:56             ` Fernando J. Pereda
2007-12-18 19:45               ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-12-18 19:59                 ` Fernando J. Pereda
2007-12-19 14:27                   ` Luca Barbato
2007-12-19 14:44                     ` Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-12-19 15:17                       ` Luca Barbato
2007-12-19 15:40                         ` Fernando J. Pereda
2007-12-19 16:03                           ` Jim Ramsay
2007-12-19 16:50                             ` Fernando J. Pereda
2007-12-20  9:05                               ` Duncan
2007-12-18 20:11                 ` Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-12-18 23:50                   ` Duncan
2007-12-19  0:06                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-19  9:28                       ` Duncan
2007-12-18 18:26             ` [gentoo-dev] " Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-12-18 18:51               ` Ulrich Mueller
2007-12-18 20:08                 ` Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-12-18 20:27                   ` Fabian Groffen
2007-12-18  4:41 ` Jeroen Roovers
2007-12-18  4:46   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-18  5:27     ` Jeroen Roovers
2007-12-18  5:52       ` Jeroen Roovers
2007-12-18  9:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-12-18 10:18   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-18 15:45 ` [gentoo-dev] " Marius Mauch
2007-12-19  0:07   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-19 13:54     ` Marius Mauch
2007-12-19 14:37 ` Luca Barbato
2007-12-19 15:00   ` Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-12-19 15:15     ` Luca Barbato
2007-12-19 16:05   ` Jim Ramsay
2007-12-20 18:52     ` Zhang Le
2007-12-21  0:51       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21  2:59         ` Zhang Le
2007-12-21  3:07           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21  9:58             ` Thomas Pani
2007-12-21 10:01               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21 13:29                 ` Rémi Cardona
2007-12-21 13:38                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-24 11:19                     ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-12-24 12:39                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-22  8:05               ` [gentoo-dev] " Zhang Le
2007-12-20  0:38 ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-12-20  2:31   ` EAPI definition Was: " Luca Barbato
2007-12-20  4:02     ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-12-20  6:52       ` Luca Barbato
2007-12-20  4:07     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-20  7:10       ` Luca Barbato [this message]
2007-12-27 19:16         ` Marius Mauch
2007-12-27 22:26           ` Luca Barbato
2007-12-27 22:40             ` Doug Klima
2007-12-28  6:57               ` Sven Vermeulen
2007-12-28 12:03             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-28 12:25               ` Santiago M. Mola
2007-12-28 12:28                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-28 12:45                   ` Santiago M. Mola
2007-12-28 23:34                   ` [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI definition Was: " Duncan
2007-12-31 14:48                     ` Marius Mauch
2007-12-31 14:46               ` EAPI definition Was: [gentoo-dev] " Marius Mauch
2007-12-31 15:09                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-01-01  4:50                   ` Marius Mauch
2008-01-01 15:42                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-20 10:37       ` Thomas Pani
2007-12-20 10:42         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-20 11:06           ` Thomas Pani
2007-12-20 11:12             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-20 13:54               ` Denis Dupeyron
2007-12-21  0:57                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21  2:46                   ` Luca Barbato
2007-12-21  3:05                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21  3:26                       ` Zhang Le
2007-12-21  3:32                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21  3:54                           ` Zhang Le
2007-12-21  3:09                   ` Zhang Le
2007-12-21  3:17                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21  3:38                       ` Zhang Le
2007-12-21  3:41                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21  3:56                           ` Zhang Le
2007-12-21  4:02                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21  4:25                               ` Zhang Le
2007-12-21 15:31                                 ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
2007-12-22  8:47                                   ` Zhang Le
2007-12-22  9:11                                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-22  9:53                                       ` Simon Cooper
2007-12-22 10:02                                         ` Jan Kundrát
2007-12-22 12:45                                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-22 15:23                                           ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2007-12-23  5:03                                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-23 13:54                                               ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2007-12-24  5:58                                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-28  5:43                                                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-12-20 18:29               ` [gentoo-dev] " Zhang Le
2007-12-21 12:34                 ` Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-12-22  3:19                   ` Luca Barbato
2007-12-22  7:13                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-22 11:03                       ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-12-22 14:50                         ` Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-12-22 17:13                           ` Duncan
2007-12-24  1:39                       ` [gentoo-dev] " Luca Barbato
2007-12-22  7:00                   ` Jeroen Roovers
2007-12-22  8:09                   ` Zhang Le
2007-12-22  8:11                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-22  8:58                       ` Zhang Le
2007-12-22 11:53                         ` Fernando J. Pereda
2007-12-22 17:14                           ` Zhang Le
2007-12-22 18:43                             ` Fernando J. Pereda
2007-12-22 19:47                               ` Zhang Le
2007-12-22 14:16                     ` Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-12-20 13:02             ` Wulf C. Krueger
2007-12-20 15:20               ` Luca Barbato
2007-12-20 16:08                 ` Rémi Cardona
2007-12-20 16:22                   ` Luca Barbato
2007-12-20 17:56                     ` Doug Klima
2007-12-21 14:53                     ` Michael Haubenwallner
2007-12-22  3:21                       ` Luca Barbato
2007-12-27 19:48                     ` Marius Mauch
2007-12-27 20:28                       ` Michael Haubenwallner
2007-12-27 20:36                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-20 16:14               ` Thomas Pani
2007-12-20 21:33                 ` Joe Peterson
2007-12-21  0:54                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21  2:17                     ` Luca Barbato
2007-12-21  2:26                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21  2:41                         ` Luca Barbato
2007-12-21  2:53                           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21 15:41                           ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
2007-12-22  1:19                             ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-12-22  3:24                             ` [gentoo-dev] " Luca Barbato
2007-12-22  7:14                               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-23  2:05                                 ` Luca Barbato
2007-12-22  9:01                               ` Zhang Le
2007-12-22  9:12                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-22  9:37                                   ` Zhang Le
2007-12-22 12:48                                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21  3:34                         ` Zhang Le
2007-12-21  3:36                           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21  4:03                             ` Zhang Le
2007-12-21  4:06                               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21  4:27                                 ` Zhang Le
2007-12-21  4:32                                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-22 10:09                                     ` Zhang Le
2007-12-22 11:36                                       ` Zhang Le
2007-12-22 11:39                                         ` Jan Kundrát
2007-12-22 17:58                                           ` Zhang Le
2007-12-21  4:46                         ` Josh Saddler
2007-12-21  4:53                           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21  6:24                             ` Luca Barbato
2007-12-21  6:34                               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21 10:18                                 ` Luca Barbato
2007-12-21 10:27                                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21 15:45                           ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
2007-12-21 15:40                   ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
2007-12-21 16:37                     ` Joe Peterson
2007-12-22  7:15                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21 15:35                 ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
2007-12-20 19:01     ` EAPI definition Was: " Zhang Le
2007-12-20 19:30       ` Santiago M. Mola
2007-12-20 20:27         ` [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI definition Was: " Markus Ullmann
2007-12-20 22:46           ` Wulf C. Krueger
2007-12-21  3:23         ` EAPI definition Was: [gentoo-dev] " Zhang Le
2007-12-21  3:28           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-21  4:15             ` Zhang Le
2007-12-21  4:19               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-22  0:23               ` [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI definition Was: " Duncan
2007-12-21 15:47       ` EAPI definition Was: [gentoo-dev] " Bo Ørsted Andresen
2007-12-22  9:49         ` Zhang Le
2007-12-22 12:43           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-22 18:06             ` Zhang Le
2007-12-20  8:20   ` Denis Dupeyron
2007-12-20  8:29   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-20  9:19     ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-12-20  9:25       ` Petteri Räty
2007-12-20 19:21         ` Josh Saddler
2007-12-20  9:43       ` Jan Kundrát
2007-12-20 10:09         ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-12-20 10:26           ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
2007-12-20 20:06             ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-12-20 10:30           ` Jan Kundrát
2007-12-20 12:48           ` Wulf C. Krueger
2007-12-20  9:55       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-27 20:15         ` Marius Mauch
2007-12-20 13:36   ` Luca Barbato
2007-12-20 12:50 ` [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI inside ebuild filename (.EAPI-ebuild of different?) Peter Volkov
2007-12-31 14:38   ` Marius Mauch
2007-12-22  1:41 ` [gentoo-dev] [GLEP 55] EAPI subdirectories instead of file name suffixes Petteri Räty
2007-12-22  2:26   ` Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-12-22  6:46     ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-12-22  9:50     ` [gentoo-dev] " Jan Kundrát
2007-12-22 15:29       ` Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-12-22  7:09   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-12-22 11:59     ` Fernando J. Pereda

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