[gentoo-dev] Latest Gentoo installcd lacks lsusb

[gentoo-dev] Latest Gentoo installcd lacks lsusb

[Alon Bar-Lev]

Hello All,

I may be totally wrong here (as usual)... But before I let it go, I
think we require some more views regarding this matter.

lsusb is not included in latest installcd, I believe that determine
available USB devices is important to bootstrap installation, in order
to detect network card, ADSL modem, determine which USB mass storage
exists and more.

Release engineering believes that as there is no dependency of libusb,
lsusb should not be provided as it is not required for installation.

Ignoring comment#7, bug is available at:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=195666

If you think lsusb is important or not important for installcd, please
help explain why.

Best Regards,
Alon Bar-Lev.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Latest Gentoo installcd lacks lsusb

[Andrew Gaffney]

Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> I may be totally wrong here (as usual)... But before I let it go, I
> think we require some more views regarding this matter.
> 
> lsusb is not included in latest installcd, I believe that determine
> available USB devices is important to bootstrap installation, in order
> to detect network card, ADSL modem, determine which USB mass storage
> exists and more.
> 
> Release engineering believes that as there is no dependency of libusb,
> lsusb should not be provided as it is not required for installation.
> 
> Ignoring comment#7, bug is available at:
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=195666
> 
> If you think lsusb is important or not important for installcd, please
> help explain why.

Seriously, wtf is your problem? Why do you keep challenging the decisions made 
by release engineering, first on bugs and then on the MLs when you don't get 
your way? Chris is the head of Release Engineering, which means he gets to make 
the decisions relevant to the install media. He's been doing it a long time, and 
there have been very few people that have disagreed with what he does.

The install CD is a *minimal* install medium. In very few cases (if any) is it 
absolutely necessary to be able to identify all USB devices attached to your 
system in order to do an install. If you are one of the few people who find it 
absolutely necessary to do so, you're absolutely free to use the LiveCD, which 
does have lsusb, and if it doesn't, it would be a handy thing to have on there, 
and you should file bug to have it included on the LiveCD *only*.

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Andrew Gaffney                                 http://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/
Gentoo Linux Developer             Catalyst/Installer + x86 release coordinator
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Latest Gentoo installcd lacks lsusb

[Richard Freeman]

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Andrew Gaffney wrote:
>>
>> If you think lsusb is important or not important for installcd, please
>> help explain why.
> 
> Seriously, wtf is your problem? Why do you keep challenging the
> decisions made by release engineering, first on bugs and then on the MLs
> when you don't get your way? Chris is the head of Release Engineering,
> which means he gets to make the decisions relevant to the install media.
> He's been doing it a long time, and there have been very few people that
> have disagreed with what he does.

I actually tend to agree with Chris's decision in this case, but it
certainly shouldn't be frowned upon if a user wants to raise a question
like this to a broader forum.  For all we know 75 users will post
stating that for whatever reason they found having lsusb available was
useful in their installs.  Now, I consider that unlikely, but if for
whatever reason it turned out to be the case we'd all be better for
knowing about it.

The mailing list post was pretty matter-of-fact and wasn't posed as a
troll of any kind.  An issue was pointed out, the pros and cons were
pointed out generally, and opinion was sought.

Sure, release engineering will end up making the final call, but they're
obviously going to want to make the install media the best it can be -
with the obvious compromise between size and usability.  I tend to think
that they have made the right decision already, and I'm sure that
they'll make the right call if for whatever reason the mailing list
discussion brings up anything important that wasn't considered.

And if it does bother you that somebody posted this question on a
mailing list just ignore it - most threads like this die out with only
two responses.  Few of us have paid anything for gentoo, so to some
degree we need to be happy with what we get, but I'm sure most devs are
happy to at least try to give the customers what they want when it
doesn't cost anything.  In this case there is a cost, so just point it
out in a friendly way...
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