From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IBsyf-0002Zy-99 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:57:05 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6KDssNs023969; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:54:54 GMT Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KDo5WU014827; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:50:05 GMT Received: from gw.thefreemanclan.net ([71.242.206.252]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JLH00178D310BCC@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:49:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw.thefreemanclan.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B011240D0; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:49:47 -0400 From: Richard Freeman Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols) In-reply-to: <1184883375.2548.0.camel@uberpc.marples.name> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org, gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-id: <46A0BD7B.1060508@thefreemanclan.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary=------------ms060505040605000009060004 X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 References: <469F1C56.6070600@gentoo.org> <469F372A.9060107@gentoo.org> <469F3A9F.7030004@gentoo.org> <46A0DE7B.6030009@gentoo.org> <469F9271.9080908@gentoo.org> <469FC366.8020304@gmail.com> <20070719212506.09a52e94@snowflake> <469FCD7A.1090506@bellsouth.net> <20070719215933.014b21cd@snowflake> <469FD60B.7030206@gmail.com> <20070719223139.540d6697@snowflake> <469FDEB9.70905@gmail.com> <469FDFCB.6020608@gentoo.org> <469FE19D.6090201@gmail.com> <1184883375.2548.0.camel@uberpc.marples.name> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070616) X-Archives-Salt: e5759a62-89d4-4d32-94b5-77d3c95f267b X-Archives-Hash: d959dd08701996e5d7f11fa10722921b This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms060505040605000009060004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Roy Marples wrote: > On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 23:11 +0100, George Prowse wrote: >> Mike Doty wrote: >>> [snip] >>> >>> get this shit off the dev list and somewhere more appropriate. >> I have a question for in here. Now this is (rightly) going to -project, >> are any devs actually going to comment on the discussion? > > The ones that are actually interested in this will. > I don't want to start a long discussion here, and if you reply to this please do so on -project. I would post this there only but I think I'll miss my target audience - which is devs who aren't interested in - -project material and want -dev to be a technical list. If you are a dev who wants to see only technical commentary on this list please do yourself a favor and DON'T reply on this list to non-technical issues. If somebody feels like they get 2 replies on -project and 50 replies on -dev (even if it is just telling them to buzz off) they're going to post on -dev as the perceived impact is higher. Just ignore stuff like this on -dev, and post replies on -project. And for those among you who aren't devs and would like to be able to participate on -dev in realtime without moderation, participating in these sorts of discussions on -dev isn't the way to accomplish your goals. Let's give -project a chance, shall we... And again, I apologize for cross-posting this on dev. 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