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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:45:46 -0500
> Dale <dalek1967@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>>> Any user who will see and respond to a question is unrepresentative
>>> of the user base in general.
>> So if ten users reply then, are all ten individually wrong too?
>
> Not my point. My point is that most Gentoo users would either not see
> the question or not respond. Those that both see the question and take
> time to respond are highly atypical.
If you were clever enough and wanted the largest amount of answers you
would put the questions around ever communication channel gentoo has,
you would then get the opinions of the majority of users.
>
>> I wish ALL users would vote in a poll on the forums
>
> That wouldn't tell you what all users want though. It would tell you
> what forum users who take the time to respond to a poll want. Again,
> not a representative sample. And that's the issue at hand -- Gentoo has
> an extremely hard time delivering information to most users. Getting
> information back is even trickier. The set of people who respond is
> heavily skewed towards better-informed users who have time to seek out
> and participate in that kind of questioning.
Ahhhhh, now I see! The fact that we would get answers from some users is
the reason why it shouldn't be done
>
>> as to what we the users want and what direction we want Gentoo to go
>> in.
>
> I want guaranteed total stability, instantly available updates,
> guaranteed backwards compatibility, the ability to install any package
> from source using my configuration of choice in under fifteen seconds
> and a herd of nubile bisexual redheads. Can Gentoo deliver that?
Irrelevant conclusion
>
>> It's no different than elections here in the US, people gripe but
>> most of the gripers don't vote.
>
> Do you really think it would make any difference if they did? All it
> would do is lend credibility to the process, and provide people with
> the argument "well you voted so you agree to accept the decision of
> the majority".
>
It would make a difference in the relations between users and developers.
Being a user yourself, why are you so against yourself having a say?
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