From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IBcww-00001a-DQ for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:50:14 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6JKnB3W002915; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:49:11 GMT Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6JKjpt4030936 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:45:52 GMT Received: from ibm58aec.bellsouth.net ([216.78.71.209]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20070719204550.BLYD10632.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm58aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:45:50 -0400 Received: from [216.78.71.209] by ibm58aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20070719204548.VFKN5940.ibm58aec.bellsouth.net@[216.78.71.209]> for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:45:48 -0400 Message-ID: <469FCD7A.1090506@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:45:46 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070602 SeaMonkey/1.1.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols) References: <469F1C56.6070600@gentoo.org> <469F372A.9060107@gentoo.org> <469F3A9F.7030004@gentoo.org> <46A0DE7B.6030009@gentoo.org> <469F9271.9080908@gentoo.org> <469FC366.8020304@gmail.com> <20070719212506.09a52e94@snowflake> In-Reply-To: <20070719212506.09a52e94@snowflake> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090105070308060807090703" X-Archives-Salt: 72d8a1da-ad75-4098-8374-0d762ec82249 X-Archives-Hash: e2ca9a19a83a484c9efbcc98a633ef59 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090105070308060807090703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:02:46 +0100 > George Prowse wrote: > >> If you want to know how to get a better relationship with users... >> ask them! >> > > Any user who will see and respond to a question is unrepresentative > of the user base in general. > > So if ten users reply then, are all ten individually wrong too? You have to start somewhere. This is some of what users are complaining about is users not being able to connect with the devs, other higher ups and have a little say over where Gentoo is going or maybe has been so far.. Also note, he didn't say to ask just one, he said "them" which means more than one person and quite possibly all that wish to reply. I just decided to grow a pair today and speak up. I wish ALL users would vote in a poll on the forums as to what we the users want and what direction we want Gentoo to go in. Given the current climate, which is improving by the way, I'm not expecting that to happen anytime soon. I doubt anyone is brave enough to start one or that enough would participate either. It's no different than elections here in the US, people gripe but most of the gripers don't vote. If this poll ever does happen, please post a link. I'd be glad to participate. Dale :-) :-) :-) --------------090105070308060807090703 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ciaran McCreesh wrote: 
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:02:46 +0100
George Prowse <cokehabit@gmail.com> wrote:
  
If you want to know how to get a better relationship with users...
ask them!
    

Any user who will see and respond to a question is unrepresentative
of the user base in general.

So if ten users reply then, are all ten individually wrong too?  You have to start somewhere.  This is some of what users are complaining about is users not being able to connect with the devs, other higher ups and have a little say over where Gentoo is going or maybe has been so far..   Also note, he didn't say to ask just one, he said "them" which means more than one person and quite possibly all that wish to reply.  I just decided to grow a pair today and speak up.

I wish ALL users would vote in a poll on the forums as to what we the users want and what direction we want Gentoo to go in.  Given the current climate, which is improving by the way, I'm not expecting that to happen anytime soon.  I doubt anyone is brave enough to start one or that enough would participate either.  It's no different than elections here in the US, people gripe but most of the gripers don't vote.

If this poll ever does happen, please post a link.  I'd be glad to participate.

Dale

:-)  :-)  :-)
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