From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IBZ2h-0002BY-HY for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:39:55 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6JGcoSE014676; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:38:50 GMT Received: from castor.sshunet.nl (castor.sshunet.nl [145.97.192.41]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6JGaxTX012459 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:36:59 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by castor.sshunet.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C3157C006 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:36:59 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at castor.sshunet.nl Received: from castor.sshunet.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (castor.sshunet.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LA74bPkQbbw7 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:36:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [145.97.222.89] (89pc222.sshunet.nl [145.97.222.89]) by castor.sshunet.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:36:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <469F9271.9080908@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:33:53 +0200 From: "Marijn Schouten (hkBst)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070616) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: [gentoo-dev] net-im/pidgin protocols) References: <469F1C56.6070600@gentoo.org> <469F372A.9060107@gentoo.org> <469F3A9F.7030004@gentoo.org> <46A0DE7B.6030009@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <46A0DE7B.6030009@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by robin.gentoo.org id l6JGcoUB014676 X-Archives-Salt: f6ee692b-29d2-4018-85e1-d4a33300b92b X-Archives-Hash: 5952d817b37ace1a4abb02a2e85b3cb1 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 joshua jackson wrote: > Jakub Moc wrote: >> Petteri R=C3=BDty napsal(a): >>> Or just do it via package.use in profiles until IUSE defaults are >>> implemented. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Petteri >> As noted before, they are implemented, just not allowed in the tree. >> Plus, what vapier said, this info belongs to the ebuilds, not to profi= les. >=20 >> Wrt pidgin - seriously, what's the big issue here? Users can't use >> emerge -pv output and determine what they want, or? Will we bloat the >> profiles everytime someone forgets to enable a flag and goes complain >> upstream about a 'missing' feature? >=20 >=20 >=20 >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 >> !DSPAM:469f3b40137571336712104! > Honestly..this is not something to get picky over jakub. Upstream was > nice and actually came and politely asked us to change the defaults to > what most people would consider sane (all protocols by default). As I > think most people emerging pidgin..would like to use any protocol by > default..not go..hey I don't have yahoo, I should check my use flags. > Which obviously hasn't happened as users pop up in #pidgin to ask why > the heck there isn't a yahoo account available. >=20 > This should be a nothing change to do. Its also working with upstream > and maintaining some good relationships here..and or help improve them > in general. That should in fact you know...be part of our goals....to > improve communications between Gentoo and other projects. Perhaps we also need to make it more clear where users can ask such Gentoo-specific questions about specific packages, so they don't need to = go and annoy upstream. Associate an irc-channel with each package. Most pack= ages have a herd associated with them which can belong to a project which coul= d have an irc-channel where the relevant developers could be found and whic= h can put common problems in its topic. Fallback for when no appropriate irc-ch= annel can be found would be #gentoo. Currently it is usually difficult to find = such irc-channels or to know if there is none and that your only option is #ge= ntoo or #$upstream. It would also make it easier for users to start helping developers and eventually become developers themselves, since they won't = need to search for a point of entry anymore. Marijn -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGn5Jxp/VmCx0OL2wRAoJlAKCzuF92/4rDf/Cty2uOMDC1mZXdBwCdEj/y cOnwaXHjD8aDvJQ+XShHQ7E=3D =3Ddfna -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=20 gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list