From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IAaDq-0006Zj-Pf for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:43:23 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6GNg1S2019807; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:42:01 GMT Received: from argo.arachnion.zzZZzz.net (argo.arachnion.zzZZzz.net [62.27.45.185]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GNccXs014889 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:38:39 GMT Received: from pd953b226.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([217.83.178.38] helo=olympus.klever.net) by argo.arachnion.zzZZzz.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.42) id 1IAa97-0001mh-5j for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:38:29 +0200 Message-ID: <469C0124.9020109@klever.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:37:08 +0200 From: Michael Krelin User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070619) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes References: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> <1184536747.18353.55.camel@sputnik886.lnet> <469B0DC2.2070903@gentoo.org> <469B5A4E.7090406@gentoo.org> <469B666C.2000400@klever.net> <1184624277.7942.19.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> In-Reply-To: <1184624277.7942.19.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 09bb54b8-9e26-4d5c-887f-a213a740e7ba X-Archives-Hash: 8112189913142097d07e04cd950fa131 > On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 14:37 +0200, Michael Krelin wrote: >>> That was my thought as well. We (the developers) owe nothing to the >>> community at large. We are volunteers, and if we want to treat Gentoo as >>> our own personal toy (which we currently aren't), then so be it. >>> >> Of course Gentoo owes to the community a lot. A lot of its progress, >> progress of the applications included, etc. But it's not a matter of >> obligation. Being nice to others is a nice thing to do and a way to look >> better too. The opposite is... well, the opposite. > > Well said... > > Remember that if we really didn't give a crap about the community, we > wouldn't be writing open source software. If we didn't care about the > users, we wouldn't release our software to them. We wouldn't have a bug > tracker, forums, and all the other things that we do and maintain solely > for the community. I didn't doubt Gentoo attitude towards community. This is why statements like the one above strike me as exceedingly out of place. > To phrase it in another manner that might make more sense, any given > developer is going to be more interested in fixing/changing what is > important or interesting to them than what some group of users wants > them to fix/change. This is an attempt to make sense of the statement, which, interpreted this way is absolutely irrelevant to the issue at hand. Love, H -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list