From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IAQxK-0005AR-Eu for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:49:42 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6GDmJX1012091; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:48:19 GMT Received: from creativecommunications.com (creativecommunications.com [65.17.124.162]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GDkM8V009794 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:46:22 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by creativecommunications.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E2C68C048 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:46:17 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at creativecommunications.com Received: from creativecommunications.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (creativecommunications.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 96MktYEhC3qc for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:46:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.1.80] (unknown [192.168.1.80]) by creativecommunications.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E316A68C03F for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:46:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <469B76A8.20301@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:46:16 -0500 From: Andrew Gaffney User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070616) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes References: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> <1184536747.18353.55.camel@sputnik886.lnet> <469B0DC2.2070903@gentoo.org> <469B5A4E.7090406@gentoo.org> <469B6006.9040805@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <469B6006.9040805@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 7504d108-1608-4c68-b4a0-c75d15078d0b X-Archives-Hash: 712afb73047b72a06ae2cb421cc7197e Vlastimil Babka wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Andrew Gaffney wrote: >> Donnie Berkholz wrote: >>> Matthias Langer wrote: >>>> no offense, but this is one of the worst proposals i've ever read on >>>> this list; why? because, one of gentoo's major problems is that it is >>>> becoming more and more a toy exclusively for its own developers. >>> Gentoo's always been exclusively for the developers. Nobody's paying us >>> to do this. It just so happens that the things we want to do also >>> benefit other people, and so they use them. >> That was my thought as well. We (the developers) owe nothing to the >> community at large. We are volunteers, and if we want to treat Gentoo as >> our own personal toy (which we currently aren't), then so be it. > > Are you people serious? Let's ban nondevs from bugzilla then? Close > #gentoo, disband PR, etc? Not sure if we can keep any sponsors then... You misunderstand. I'm not saying that all non-devs can get bent and their opinions be damned. I'm just saying that at the core, Gentoo is still the same as it was "back in the day". Gentoo isn't a commercial distribution, and nobody pays us, so we can do anything we want, whether the user community at large likes it or not. We ultimately answer only to ourselves. -- Andrew Gaffney http://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/ Gentoo Linux Developer Catalyst/Installer + x86 release coordinator -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list