From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IAQgu-00021R-TR for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:32:45 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6GDVgrC007457; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:31:42 GMT Received: from mail.ineton.ro (mail.ineton.ro [217.156.27.7]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GDTd2g005074 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:29:39 GMT Received: (qmail 17039 invoked by uid 210); 16 Jul 2007 16:29:36 +0300 Received: from 85.186.255.216 (mrness@85.186.255.216) by hera (envelope-from , uid 201) with qmail-scanner-2.01st (clamdscan: 0.90.3/3678. spamassassin: 3.2.1. perlscan: 2.01st. Clear:RC:1(85.186.255.216):. Processed in 0.025915 secs); 16 Jul 2007 13:29:36 -0000 Received: from ineton-fo.b.astral.ro (HELO ?192.168.19.2?) (mrness@85.186.255.216) by mail.ineton.ro with ESMTPA; 16 Jul 2007 16:29:36 +0300 Message-ID: <469B72BA.3050607@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:29:30 +0300 From: =?UTF-8?B?QWxpbiBOxINzdGFj?= Organization: Gentoo Foundation User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070620) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ML changes References: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> <1184536747.18353.55.camel@sputnik886.lnet> <469B0DC2.2070903@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig947C54F268085171C7E374ED" X-Archives-Salt: a618ca54-ff1e-482a-a3dd-e5f146b35488 X-Archives-Hash: bc22d39bf444565d9d46eb3718671aa4 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig947C54F268085171C7E374ED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve Long wrote: > Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > =20 >> Matthias Langer wrote: >> =20 >>> no offense, but this is one of the worst proposals i've ever read on >>> this list; why? because, one of gentoo's major problems is that it is= >>> becoming more and more a toy exclusively for its own developers. >>> =20 >> Gentoo's always been exclusively for the developers. Nobody's paying u= s >> to do this. It just so happens that the things we want to do also >> benefit other people, and so they use them. >> >> =20 > It also happens that bugs are reported, and patches provided, by users.= Not > to mention documentation written, support provided on irc and in forums= , > which are the envy of every OS out there. Oh and the small matter of > defending Gentoo against detractors, the most telling of which are thos= e > who criticise elitist ``devs''. > > Are you really claiming that Gentoo could possibly function as an > organisation without the users? > =20 No, Gentoo *the organisation/community* wouldn't be where it is today without its users, that is for sure. However, Gentoo devs - as individuals - don't owe to community anything. Quite the contrary, if I may say so myself. That being said, all devs are working on our beloved distro having the common interest in mind, just it gets harder and harder to keep your morale/motivation high while you are exposed to rants and flame wars like this. --------------enig947C54F268085171C7E374ED Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGm3K/ozkEeOnWD00RAg9IAJ9wf/QWY6z3zU3Sb6rIgcV8IFuSuwCgh/K6 SUphdri7BRHoxn1wojXjoFU= =1uht -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig947C54F268085171C7E374ED-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list