From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IAPxJ-0008Fs-KO for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:45:38 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6GCif6I011400; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:44:41 GMT Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GCgk5K009091 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:42:46 GMT Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070716124245.DCWL10435.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:42:45 -0400 Received: from torchwood.datanode.net ([72.209.236.102]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id QCil1X0092DERb40000000; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:42:45 -0400 Received: from [172.16.1.100] (dhcp-0.datanode.net [172.16.1.100]) by torchwood.datanode.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F17A0019 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <469B67C4.4010702@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:42:44 -0400 From: Michael Cummings User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070326) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes References: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> <1184536747.18353.55.camel@sputnik886.lnet> <469B0DC2.2070903@gentoo.org> <469B5A4E.7090406@gentoo.org> <469B6006.9040805@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <469B6006.9040805@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 2f31efd1-c46f-488d-9f10-8ccbce2b75ff X-Archives-Hash: c719dc464c2a322a10ff303a99866925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Vlastimil Babka wrote: > Are you people serious? Let's ban nondevs from bugzilla then? Close > #gentoo, disband PR, etc? Not sure if we can keep any sponsors then... ...or devs... Seriously, no users == no community. Why? Because devs don't get along with each other well enough to qualify as a community. It's really the untold masses that make Gentoo a community. What's one of the top resources cited as the greatness of Gentoo? The wiki. Which isn't even official or sanctioned, but that is instead run largely by the community at large. Bah. This entire debate is extremely disheartening. How many devs out there sprung from the ground pre-formed, and how many started out as users in the community? *That* is the pool from which we draw our ranks, from which we get our support and direction. This elitist attitude is what drives the rationale devs to be hermits and just answer to their small piece of the pie - because we don't give two figs about who's ego is mightiest, just that we are producing something useful that makes us happy, without breaking things for those dependent on us, the users. Talk like this, especially from people I respected, makes me question just what its worth to keep going. If Gentoo is only about the devs, well, I'm happy with the way things are now, they work for me, so no sense in working any further on perl-land. Bah. - -- - -----o()o---------------------------------------------- Michael Cummings | #gentoo-dev, #gentoo-perl Gentoo Perl Dev | on irc.freenode.net Gentoo/SPARC Gentoo/AMD64 GPG: 0543 6FA3 5F82 3A76 3BF7 8323 AB5C ED4E 9E7F 4E2E - -----o()o---------------------------------------------- Hi, I'm a .signature virus! Please copy me in your ~/.signature. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGm2fEq1ztTp5/Ti4RAlQ+AJwKsEC1IQImUbUmq/7zNBsXxGv73ACeK6hV or9txg0OFsHguSq3kCm1Kfk= =TiyV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list