From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1I9z0A-0003C5-5y for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 07:58:46 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6F7vRdv022791; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 07:57:27 GMT Received: from ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.141]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6F7sC42017948 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 07:54:14 GMT X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,540,1175437800"; d="scan'208";a="152523630" Received: from ppp121-44-209-181.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net (HELO [192.168.0.252]) ([121.44.209.181]) by ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 15 Jul 2007 17:24:11 +0930 Message-ID: <4699D2A2.9010709@burnieanglican.org.au> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:54:10 +1000 From: Will Briggs User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070619) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes References: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> <1184308886.9892.48.camel@tuxhugs> <1184347521.8347.24.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> <200707131204.08923.bulliver@badcomputer.org> <1184352243.1351.24.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com> <20070713195135.39d2dbeb@snowflake> <1184353448.1351.29.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com> <4698A357.4070503@burnieanglican.org.au> <1184433928.6676.18.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com> In-Reply-To: <1184433928.6676.18.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 940bb5a0-6c3f-474b-aedf-71d4531d43b0 X-Archives-Hash: 156140202347f9b60411da5615c15d90 William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > Fact is -dev's volume is getting to the point where it's productivity is > diminishing. Both with dev <-> dev and dev <-> world. The entire idea > here is to help correct that and makes things BETTER :) I hear you. (Although I disagree that there is a relationship between SNR and dev <-> dev and dev <-> world.) And you're right that this is something that is a result of the organisation growing. And so the question we must face is _how_ do we want it to grow. At the moment gentoo-dev is a "one big noisy room" forum. This is seen as a "problem" Propose solutions have included: 1) The "Let's divide up the room" solution - (and so we have proposals for gentoo-politics, gentoo-flamewar and other more "specialised" fora) 2) The "Let's reduce the people in the room" solution (which is what the OP's porposal is in essence) The first doesn't work because it's well nigh impossible to enforce what is on or off topic. The second "solution" begs the question of "who do we let in the room?" I submit to you that demarcating based on dev status is a Bad Idea. Some devs make the room less productive, some non-devs would make the room more productive. Unfortunately, demarcation of insiders and outsiders by any other means would be arbitrary. We arrive at the the third "solution" 3) People in the room can choose to take part in some conversations and ignore others as they see fit. This is basically the first two solutions implemented personally rather than globally. It's easily implemented through filters and sheer common sense. Oh, and it's also the status quo. W. PS. My heart rate and the alarm bells of being close to repeating myself indicate that I'm close to being fuel for flame here. Please excuse if I don't continue to post. Not being rude, just exercising some of that common sense. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list