From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1I9TSK-0008Tw-Ur for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:17:45 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6DMFwYV025342; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:15:58 GMT Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6DMBeu5018557 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:11:40 GMT Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id d32so1189335pye for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:11:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VBS73Av0JEE47IUPhIrsuYv46B0qFmMICDAPpiOq6AI57yWBgU4YL64JVl+QOwp2H56dQXZkUMPFadG6NVzttlJSUIyLqH29Da4Rx9zAOP10gkYfvEnl0r7yAqyENVxmFuPJCQZ+TouSz4CPaGRNAF3sP2iUAj/yMkqsgP+RHZA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Qf0QsEVDC+ttLa3ZpFYmhEUgv4Ip7bKY31DF0LUgWC8um4I9/MxG13yC3R+WuLerxZRrika4Jfs753DZrm6O8caxPEtppEu0nr4JrI9lTrgZRt45VwrtUb2M0/SA8P7JfSbBR86VL1MsKocnyvhHeb/MpY+i72EF2MRFIvrgf1o= Received: by 10.35.106.15 with SMTP id i15mr3380912pym.1184364700069; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.10.50? ( [24.13.148.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id v55sm20915003pyh.2007.07.13.15.11.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4697F83C.6080406@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:10:04 -0500 From: lnxg33k User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070710) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes References: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> <1184308886.9892.48.camel@tuxhugs> <1184310715.26227.29.camel@localhost> <20070713095658.39be3d83@sed-192.sedsystems.ca> <4697CA3D.8020604@uchicago.edu> <1184355462.8347.49.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> In-Reply-To: <1184355462.8347.49.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 00136ffc-f03c-40ec-8efc-afbc6a12a3f3 X-Archives-Hash: 404b69e9d2c4208565184ec4dd39ee84 I'm (obviously) not a dev but contribute some from time to time. Not much more can be said than has already been stated, but since (I believe) this thread started out asking for input, I just wanted to toss in a negative vote. Essentially I don't see it solving any problem and stepping on the toes of current changes (-project for instance). As of late, it seems more traffic has been generated due to non-development threads such as this than any other topic -- take that as you will. As for some very brief points, I have a few: * Whether it's intented or not, the negative perception being projected on non-devs will be there. Call it what you will, but essentially they'll be outsiders. * This original thread seems to be an attempt to lessen damaging posts to -dev and yet does not address the possibility that these posts may come from current devs. Chris Gianelloni seems to have modified the thread to include dev moderation with the possibility of delays being applied to them via policy. * While no delay duration has been set, I think one of the problems here (again) is perception. Currently it's the idea of quick feedback from the source. * This sounds like a boring, mundane, time consuming task to place on all developers. As with most things, only a few will take the time to do their duty as per policy dictates. This either means we'll have developer-devs doing paper work or non-developer-devs in a developer position doing paper work -- an overly simplistic view. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list