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From: Simon Cooper <thecoop@runbox.com>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: ML changes
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:39:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4697E309.1040704@runbox.com> (raw)

As another invisible AT, theres a couple of points I want to make about 
blanket blacklisting:

1. gentoo-dev has an outside image. The current, anyone-can-post, 
projects the image that the developers are happy to receive outside 
opinions that may be different to 'how things are done'. This is, 
mostly, a good thing. More ideas can only improve the technical quality 
of gentoo, even if those ideas are discarded. Moderating -dev will only 
reinforce the image of cliquiness within the developers. This is bad.
2. It will kill recruitment. This point has been made before, iirc.
3. A dilbert quote (paraphrase?) comes to mind - 'Something must be 
done. This is something, so we must do it'

Personally, I agree with ttuttle's idea about being able to whitelist 
non-devs - a blanket blacklist is simply not the way to do it - people 
do not have to be developers to contribute to gentoo. I can also see the 
benefit of introducing -project and waiting to see what happens. When 
you introduce lots of changes to a software project at once, and 
something breaks, you do not know what broke it. It pays to introduce 
things one at a time and testing between. The same can be applied here.

Simon Cooper

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             reply	other threads:[~2007-07-13 20:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-13 20:39 Simon Cooper [this message]
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2007-07-16 21:57 [gentoo-dev] Re: ML changes Ryan Reich
2007-07-14 21:03 [gentoo-dev] " Christina Fullam
2007-07-14 21:59 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2007-07-15 16:48 ` Steve Long
2007-07-13 19:10 [gentoo-dev] " Christina Fullam
2007-07-14 16:16 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2007-07-14 17:14   ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-14 17:25     ` Josh Saddler
2007-07-14 17:41       ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-14 20:46   ` Marius Mauch
2007-07-13 14:26 [gentoo-dev] " Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-13 15:31 ` Vieri Di Paola
2007-07-13 18:14   ` [gentoo-dev] " Markus Ullmann
2007-07-12 20:24 [gentoo-dev] " Mike Doty
2007-07-12 21:12 ` [gentoo-dev] " Tiziano Müller
2007-07-12 21:32   ` Luca Barbato
2007-07-12 22:34 ` Markus Ullmann
2007-07-12 23:57   ` Steve Long
2007-07-12 22:43 ` [gentoo-dev] " Chrissy Fullam
2007-07-13  0:17   ` Robert Buchholz
2007-07-13  0:56     ` Ned Ludd
2007-07-14  2:34       ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-12 22:55 ` Stefan Schweizer
2007-07-12 23:28   ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-13  1:01 ` Ryan Hill
2007-07-13  5:11   ` Duncan
2007-07-17 11:20     ` Paul de Vrieze
2007-07-13  1:41 ` [gentoo-dev] " Daniel Ostrow
2007-07-13  3:45   ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2007-07-13  5:22   ` Duncan
2007-07-13  6:34 ` Christian Faulhammer
2007-07-13 17:12   ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-13 17:30     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-17 18:14     ` Roy Bamford
2007-07-13  6:41 ` [gentoo-dev] " Peter Gordon
2007-07-13  7:11   ` Seemant Kulleen
2007-07-13 15:39     ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-13 17:41       ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-14  3:03         ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-13 17:25   ` [gentoo-dev] " Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-13 18:04     ` darren kirby
2007-07-13 18:44       ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-13 18:51         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-13 19:04           ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-14 10:20             ` Will Briggs
2007-07-14 17:25               ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-15  7:54                 ` Will Briggs
2007-07-15 11:16                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-07-15  3:54 ` [gentoo-dev] " Daniel Drake
2007-07-15 10:45   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-07-15 23:13     ` Kumba
2007-07-16  9:03       ` Duncan
2007-07-16 16:41   ` [gentoo-dev] " Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-17  9:36     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-07-15 21:59 ` [gentoo-dev] " Matthias Langer
2007-07-15 22:21   ` Andrew Gaffney
2007-07-16  3:14     ` Will Briggs
2007-07-16 22:06       ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-16 22:30         ` George Prowse
2007-07-16 23:09           ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-17  0:18             ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-16  6:18   ` [gentoo-dev] " Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-16 11:45     ` Andrew Gaffney
2007-07-16 12:09       ` Vlastimil Babka
2007-07-16 13:46         ` Andrew Gaffney
2007-07-16 16:17           ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-16 17:21             ` Wulf C. Krueger
2007-07-16 12:34     ` Steve Long
2007-07-16 13:29       ` Alin Năstac
2007-07-16 17:45       ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-16 17:49         ` Jakub Moc
2007-07-16 20:55           ` Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-16 22:15       ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-16 18:16     ` [gentoo-dev] " George Prowse
2007-07-16 18:35       ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-17  0:25         ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-16 20:02 ` [gentoo-dev] " Peter Weller
2007-07-16 20:12   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-17  0:28     ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-16 22:22 ` Torsten Veller
2007-07-16 22:27   ` Andrew Gaffney
2007-07-17  7:33   ` Wernfried Haas

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