From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1I7bOs-0001Ff-Kh for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:22:27 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l68IKKaF014682; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 18:20:20 GMT Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68IG4lv007136 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 18:16:04 GMT Received: from gw.thefreemanclan.net ([71.242.206.252]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JKV00CVYHE9RZO9@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:15:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw.thefreemanclan.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68C312407A for ; Sun, 08 Jul 2007 14:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 14:15:43 -0400 From: Richard Freeman Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Watch out for license changes to GPL-3. In-reply-to: <1183916932.6634.6.camel@localhost> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Message-id: <469129CF.9040301@thefreemanclan.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary=------------ms010906010203040909060205 X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 References: <1183832495.20203.11.camel@SOLACE> <468FDCFE.1060404@gentoo.org> <4690C4B8.4000407@gentoo.org> <200707081350.27220.philantrop@gentoo.org> <1183899969.6634.1.camel@localhost> <20070708164657.4edd8378@localhost> <1183916932.6634.6.camel@localhost> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070616) X-Archives-Salt: 40af1f38-6aee-494e-915b-380d540d7b0b X-Archives-Hash: b002874da269eeee0e591965ced480de This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010906010203040909060205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Seemant Kulleen wrote: > If you can really show some way that GPL3 provides a compelling case > to move to it, then we can start talking about that. > I wasn't aware that gentoo practiced copyright assignment. You might want to make the disclaimers clear - if somebody submits a patch on bugzilla and doesn't expressly assign copyright they would legally retain it unless it were a clear condition of using the site. Also, it would help avoid people submitting patches that aren't GPL-2-only-compatible from other projects. But then again, I'm not a lawyer... :) I guess one reason to move would be that it is the goal of the FSF for this to become the "default" GPL. So, if there was a compelling case for adopting the GPL at all (one presumes there was since we're GPL currently), then there is a case for migrating to GPL v3 by that virtue alone. Does that mean that we HAVE to? Certainly not. I'd ask the question why we're GPL at all? If the reason is because we generally agree with the principles of free software and copyleft, then the GPL v3 is only an improvement over the GPL. If we don't really like copyleft as an organization then it would make more sense to just adopt BSD, rather than stick with a copyleft license that just has a few loopholes in it. In terms of pros/cons with GPLv2 you'd have compatibility with GPL3 and GPL2+ licenses, as well as the the Affero GPL. There is of course the closing of the tivoization loophole, and that can be considered a pro or a con depending on your personal beliefs. However, if you really are pro-tivoization, then why use the GPL at all? 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