From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Hw3py-0002MU-7R for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:18:42 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l56MGvp5016019; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:16:57 GMT Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56MDCH6009493 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:13:12 GMT Received: from gw.thefreemanclan.net ([68.238.187.251]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JJ8000CEJ1G58O9@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:12:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw.thefreemanclan.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2F1518025 for ; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:12:10 -0400 From: Richard Freeman Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it? In-reply-to: To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Message-id: <4667313A.30607@thefreemanclan.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary=------------ms080407030407070603070907 References: <1181074192.12669.16.camel@antares.hausnetz> <1181080828.17690.132.camel@workbox.quova.com> <20070606152947.GH26971@feynman.corp.halliburton.com> <200706061810.50562.philantrop@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070521) X-Archives-Salt: be22ddee-03ce-4728-89b2-f9e77fd0f013 X-Archives-Hash: afc4678d74675ffafd85edbe17a0534d This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms080407030407070603070907 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Galevsky wrote: > But I do not understand why 7 > devs -even elected by the others- could make decisions on other > projects and are described as the group in charge of the 'global > issues and policies'. > The logic is that most organizations are overseen by a board of directors. This system is used in most corporations worldwide, most non-profits, and to some degree most governments. The reason is simple - it generally works fairly well, although this is obviously limited by the makeup of the overall organization. The concept is that the council provides oversight and high-level guidance. If necessary they can step in and micromanage when necessary, but in theory they should be delegating their power whenever possible. The proctors are a body to which the council delegated day-to-day responsibility for enforcing the code of conduct. In most companies if the head of an organization (who reports to the board of directors) makes a decision that a good chunk of the board disagrees with, the board does NOTHING in public. At least not without careful thought. Instead the board just sits down in private with the CEO/president/secretary/whatever and decides what to do about the disagreement. This might ultimately lead to the appointment of a new CEO/president/secretary/whatever - usually without a whole lot of fanfare. The reason for this is that the organization speaks with one voice at all times. The board is in ultimate control, but they don't usually feel the need to step into the limelight. What gentoo needs is a little more patience. If somebody says/does something you disagree with, try talking to them in private about it. If necessary try talking to an appropriate moderator in private. And don't expect a huge change within 8 hours.... 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