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From: Richard Freeman <rich@thefreemanclan.net>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:12:10 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4667313A.30607@thefreemanclan.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d5cfc3af0706061037o771d09bdmaabcf6dc19b2e7a5@mail.gmail.com>

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Galevsky wrote:
> But I do not understand why 7
> devs -even elected by the others- could make decisions on other
> projects and are described as the group in charge of the 'global
> issues and policies'.
> 

The logic is that most organizations are overseen by a board of 
directors.  This system is used in most corporations worldwide, most 
non-profits, and to some degree most governments.  The reason is simple 
- it generally works fairly well, although this is obviously limited by 
the makeup of the overall organization.

The concept is that the council provides oversight and high-level 
guidance.  If necessary they can step in and micromanage when necessary, 
but in theory they should be delegating their power whenever possible. 
The proctors are a body to which the council delegated day-to-day 
responsibility for enforcing the code of conduct.

In most companies if the head of an organization (who reports to the 
board of directors) makes a decision that a good chunk of the board 
disagrees with, the board does NOTHING in public.  At least not without 
careful thought.  Instead the board just sits down in private with the 
CEO/president/secretary/whatever and decides what to do about the 
disagreement.  This might ultimately lead to the appointment of a new 
CEO/president/secretary/whatever - usually without a whole lot of 
fanfare.  The reason for this is that the organization speaks with one 
voice at all times.  The board is in ultimate control, but they don't 
usually feel the need to step into the limelight.

What gentoo needs is a little more patience.  If somebody says/does 
something you disagree with, try talking to them in private about it. 
If necessary try talking to an appropriate moderator in private.  And 
don't expect a huge change within 8 hours....  And think about the good 
of the whole organization, even if you don't agree with every person who 
is in charge.

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-06 22:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-05 20:09 [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble Benjamin Judas
2007-06-05 20:18 ` Stephen P. Becker
2007-06-05 20:30 ` Peter Weller
2007-06-05 20:43   ` Gustavo Zacarias
2007-06-05 20:58   ` Raúl Porcel
2007-06-05 20:30 ` Christian Hartmann
2007-06-05 20:38   ` Petteri Räty
2007-06-05 20:34 ` Stephen Bennett
2007-06-05 20:29   ` Benjamin Judas
2007-06-05 20:37     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-06-05 20:53       ` Christian Hartmann
2007-06-05 21:00     ` Stephen Bennett
2007-06-05 21:08       ` George Prowse
2007-06-05 21:52         ` Stephen Bennett
2007-06-05 20:44 ` [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning Roy Bamford
2007-06-05 20:52   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-06-05 22:00     ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-06-05 22:17       ` Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh
2007-06-05 22:24       ` Wernfried Haas
2007-06-05 23:06         ` Richard Freeman
2007-06-05 21:00   ` Stephen P. Becker
2007-06-05 21:13   ` [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2 Wernfried Haas
2007-06-05 21:24     ` Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh
2007-06-05 21:38     ` Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-06-05 21:45       ` Steev Klimaszewski
2007-06-05 21:58         ` Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-06-05 21:39     ` Harald van Dijk
2007-06-05 21:43     ` Retiring (Was Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2) Jason Wever
2007-06-05 22:01       ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-06-05 22:20         ` Andrew Gaffney
2007-06-06  0:53       ` Christel Dahlskjaer
2007-06-06  4:22       ` Peter Weller
     [not found]     ` <20070605212204.GA5638@ferdyx.org>
2007-06-05 21:50       ` [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2 Stephen Bennett
2007-06-05 22:00     ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-06-05 22:08       ` Richard Brown
2007-06-05 22:17         ` Wernfried Haas
2007-06-05 22:33       ` Wernfried Haas
2007-06-06 15:29       ` Grant Goodyear
2007-06-06 15:42         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-06-06 15:44           ` Steev Klimaszewski
2007-06-06 15:53             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-06-06 16:05               ` Steev Klimaszewski
2007-06-06 16:08               ` expose
2007-06-06 16:22                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-06-06 16:32                   ` expose
2007-06-06 22:07                     ` Dawid Węgliński
2007-06-07  1:06                       ` expose
2007-06-06 18:03               ` Anders Hellgren
2007-06-06 22:32                 ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2007-06-06 16:00           ` expose
2007-06-06 16:33           ` Mike Doty
2007-06-06 16:48             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-06-06 16:56               ` Mike Doty
2007-06-06 17:44                 ` Marijn Schouten (hkBst)
2007-06-06 17:08               ` Mauricio Lima Pilla
2007-06-06 23:49                 ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-06-06 16:58             ` Steev Klimaszewski
2007-06-06 16:06         ` Marien Zwart
2007-06-06 17:40           ` Maurice van der Pot
2007-06-06 16:10         ` [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it? Wulf C. Krueger
2007-06-06 17:16           ` expose
2007-06-06 23:47             ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-06-07  0:08               ` George Prowse
2007-06-07  0:58                 ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-06-07 10:15                   ` George Prowse
2007-06-07 10:24                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-06-07 10:47                       ` Richard Freeman
2007-06-07 11:45                       ` George Prowse
2007-06-07 11:23                     ` Alexandre Buisse
2007-06-07 11:51                       ` George Prowse
2007-06-06 17:37           ` Galevsky
2007-06-06 22:12             ` Richard Freeman [this message]
     [not found]           ` <4666ECD2.5040603@gentoo.org>
2007-06-06 17:52             ` Wulf C. Krueger
2007-06-06 19:31           ` George Prowse
2007-06-06 23:45           ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-06-07 13:37             ` Steev Klimaszewski
2007-06-07 22:13               ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-06-07 13:52             ` [gentoo-dev] " Wulf C. Krueger
2007-06-07 22:45             ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2007-06-06 17:55         ` [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2 Josh Sled
2007-06-06 18:14           ` Steev Klimaszewski
2007-06-06 23:57             ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-06-06 18:17           ` expose
2007-06-06 18:25             ` expose
2007-06-06 19:36         ` Jeffrey Gardner

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