From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HkNnT-0006cI-TM for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 17:11:52 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l45HAtRT011894; Sat, 5 May 2007 17:10:55 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l45H91m5009616 for ; Sat, 5 May 2007 17:09:01 GMT Received: from [172.28.2.20] (unknown [213.13.240.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BF7564E01 for ; Sat, 5 May 2007 17:09:00 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <463CBA22.7070200@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 17:08:50 +0000 From: "Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070421) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24 References: <200705042249.48267.peper@gentoo.org> <20070505114454.GD23900@kfk4ever.com> <20070505135020.4d129619@snowflake> In-Reply-To: <20070505135020.4d129619@snowflake> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 8d3e4a90-52bd-4658-9127-6ab4289ec79b X-Archives-Hash: 8afebe1351cab7ec7f455d7e5f9d8415 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 5 May 2007 13:44:54 +0200 > Maurice van der Pot wrote: >> It looks like it is not clear enough what kind of news should be >> called critical. > > It's quite simple. If something is of sufficient interest to users who > would be shown the news item that it is worth them seeing a news item > then it should be a news item. So, the question is whether people who > are using Paludis would benefit from or be inconvenienced by this news > item. We have experience with this from similar changes and news items > in the Paludis overlay, and from that we know that a news item is > helpful in this kind of situation. > Ciaran, as I see it the problem is not simply whether this message is important to paludis users or not - I'm not disputing you're better positioned to determine that. The problem is the type and amount of news any single package is willing to provide and the impact that will have for the whole tree. You're arguing this news item will only be shown to paludis users, but you're forgetting that paludis users also use many other packages in the tree. Assume user X has many packages on his system including package A. The maintainer of package A decides to create a news item about an upcoming change that will break package A. If user X on the next update of the tree gets 25 news items, with 15 of them about config file changes, the probability of the user disregarding package A's news item is far greater than if the user only gets 3 or 4 news items, wouldn't you agree? IMHO, that's why it's so important to decide on the type of news items that we should have and that's why maintainers of other packages are so concerned about this news item. The worst that could happen is that because of an abuse of the news framework, users stop caring about the news items - then all work for GLEP 42 would have been for nothing. I'm not stating that this particular news item is an abuse of the news framework or will by itself condemn GLEP 42, I'm just explaining why a careful selection of news items is important and why I care so much about this particular news item. I also think we should only use news item for really *important* issues. There is also another reason to concern about the amount of news items, the impact that will have on rsync traffic. That is a general concern and is not tied to this particular example. - -- Regards, Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Proctors -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGPLoicAWygvVEyAIRAkivAJ0T941AzRW0z4uvooyfbSm7lI8DdQCglYQx Akx7MAIf882IoQBXjvnblT4= =BcOG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list