From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HkKXu-0001Tc-SP for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 13:43:35 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l45DfRQh016122; Sat, 5 May 2007 13:41:27 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l45Dbq7G010588 for ; Sat, 5 May 2007 13:37:52 GMT Received: from [192.168.0.1] (253.199.broadband5.iol.cz [88.100.199.253]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A77E649AE for ; Sat, 5 May 2007 13:37:49 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <463C88A0.3000407@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 15:37:36 +0200 From: Jakub Moc User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070419) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24 References: <200705042249.48267.peper@gentoo.org> <200705041850.00514.hydrogen@notyetimplemented.com> <20070504235844.136fd6cf@snowflake> <200705041948.19737.hydrogen@notyetimplemented.com> <20070505005246.18a8fe84@snowflake> <20070505103040.44dfdc4c@sheridan.genone.homeip.net> <20070505134632.7c0ed334@snowflake> <463C7E5B.2090203@gentoo.org> <20070505140210.30189854@snowflake> <463C838B.5060604@gentoo.org> <20070505142341.0a36a7a5@snowflake> In-Reply-To: <20070505142341.0a36a7a5@snowflake> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 OpenPGP: id=CEBA3D9E; url=http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCEBA3D9E Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-ripemd160; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig2159DE1F6367CCEEA9EC6B9F" X-Archives-Salt: 24828449-e4e5-4d13-b37f-8fc238f7a20e X-Archives-Hash: 1ca31388a82b554c50e71dcabea72a30 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig2159DE1F6367CCEEA9EC6B9F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a): > On Sat, 05 May 2007 15:15:55 +0200 > Jakub Moc wrote: >> How does it matter exactly whether it's paludis users, gcc users, php >> users, apache users or whoever else who will use the news item? Let's >> not misuse news framework for stuff that >=20 > Er, that's one of the main points of GLEP 42's design: it allows > delivery of news items that are important to a subset of users only to > that subset. The size of the subset is entirely irrelevant. That's not what I've been pointing out at all, you've completely snipped the important part about *unintended* use of this feature. So, once again - this is not an elog replacement and is not intended for trivial stuff (see the 'critical news' in GLEP42 title). >> For this particular case, you can (and do even) advise specifically >> the affected users only on runtime that the config files syntax has >> been changed. (Frankly, you don't even need elog stuff for similar >> things; everyone concerned will get the message paludis spits on the >> screen when they try to use it). >=20 > Experience and user feedback has shown that in situations like this > users want an accompanying news item even if the application does outpu= t > deprecation warnings. Well again, what kind of experience? You cannot just carry over an existing practice of heavily abusing such stuff in a particular overlay with a couple of ebuilds and implant it into a tree with thousands of packages - it will produce loads of annoying noise and the feature will become useless if every maintainer starts to use news framework in a similar way. --=20 Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:jakub@gentoo.org GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dget&search=3D0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3= D9E ... still no signature ;) --------------enig2159DE1F6367CCEEA9EC6B9F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGPIinhxfV/c66PZ4RA/8PAJ4/FUSuOl3+g1vol6zi9ygsEDh5FQCfdGHt uxtgMLoE2UZGy50yIDgGrZQ= =lYwH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig2159DE1F6367CCEEA9EC6B9F-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list