[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] FYI: Jakub suspended two weeks for bad behaviour

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] FYI: Jakub suspended two weeks for bad behaviour

[Jakub Moc]

On 4/17/07, Bryan Østergaard <kloeri@gentoo.org> wrote:
> And just to be even more clear about this - his bad behaviour isn't only
> about language but also about his actions on bugzilla such as
> reassigning bugs without trying to contact maintainers first,
> reassigning bugs against the maintainers explicit wishes etc.

Err, you know very well that devrel has been CCed on the last email
exchange w/ peitolm (about ~6 weeks ago)... which, oh what a surprise,
hasn't gone anywhere yet again, and the same exact 2 year old bugs
have been carried on into yet another ebuild version.

But as stated in my original resignation, slacking developers feeling
uncomfortable and their wishes to keep ignoring their bugs for another
couple of years being shamelessly disrespected are far more important
for Gentoo than the actual long-lasting breakage for users and clearly
noone should care too much about people who just happen to have
getting the bugs fixed in a timely manner a part of their job
description. Bug wranglers are in fact dumb assign/CC scripts who
definitely shouldn't care for the bugs once they've been assigned.

> holding developers to higher
> standards is completely in line with the council wishes I believe.

Indeed. I've noticed the high standards being pushed by devrel quite a
couple of times, such as in [1]. So Bret, I sincerely hope you'll get
your devbox finally running after 3 years or so and you'll continue to
be such a great assett to Gentoo as you've been so far. ;)

[1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38368

Best regards,

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] FYI: Jakub suspended two weeks for bad behaviour

[Alon Bar-Lev]

On 4/17/07, Jakub Moc <jakub.moc@gmail.com> wrote:
> > holding developers to higher
> > standards is completely in line with the council wishes I believe.
>
> Indeed. I've noticed the high standards being pushed by devrel quite a
> couple of times, such as in [1]. So Bret, I sincerely hope you'll get
> your devbox finally running after 3 years or so and you'll continue to
> be such a great assett to Gentoo as you've been so far. ;)
>
> [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38368

I totally agree.
The slack developer should have been suspended...
Not you.

Best Regards,
Alon Bar-Lev.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] FYI: Jakub suspended two weeks for bad behaviour

[Donnie Berkholz]

Can you guys move all this garbage to the gentoo-devrel mailing list? 
This is exactly the kind of discussion it exists for. This has nothing 
to do with development.

Thanks,
Donnie
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] FYI: Jakub suspended two weeks for bad behaviour

[Mike Doty]

Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Can you guys move all this garbage to the gentoo-devrel mailing list? 
> This is exactly the kind of discussion it exists for. This has nothing 
> to do with development.
> 
> Thanks,
> Donnie
Consider this a request from me as well.

--taco

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] FYI: Jakub suspended two weeks for bad behaviour

[Aaron Kulbe]

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On 4/17/07, Donnie Berkholz <dberkholz@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> Can you guys move all this garbage to the gentoo-devrel mailing list?
> This is exactly the kind of discussion it exists for. This has nothing
> to do with development.


+1

Thanks,
> Donnie
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] FYI: Jakub suspended two weeks for bad behaviour

[Mike Frysinger]

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On Tuesday 17 April 2007, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Can you guys move all this garbage to the gentoo-devrel mailing list?
> This is exactly the kind of discussion it exists for. This has nothing
> to do with development.

hmm, that sounds peachy clean to me
-mike

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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] FYI: Jakub suspended two weeks for bad behaviour

[Jakub Moc]

On 4/17/07, Bryan Østergaard <kloeri@gentoo.org> wrote:
> It's not about how old the bugs are. Some action might very well be in
> order on old bugs but you still have to work with the maintainer. If you
> make a reasonable attempt at contacting the maintainer and don't get any
> responses for say 2 weeks reassigning the bug might be in order.

So - why are you lying here again? I've already stated that you
'(devrel) have been CCed on the last email conversation w/ peitolm,
you've been well aware when the last re-assign happened about one year
ago as well. Yeah, you didn't give a damn, what reasonable steps to
contact a developer that doesn't care for anything but re-assigning
bugs back to himself to keep ignoring them for yet another year do you
expect?

Sorry, you've miserably failed, you should have retired this guy long
time ago before things went this far, since he obviously doesn't care
about Gentoo users, but just about his territorial pissings. Instead,
you've chosen to jump on me for doing my job. Oh well done indeed.

> Just reassigning the bug and disregarding the maintainers wish is rude
> at best and doesn't exactly make future cooperation any easier imo.

Maybe just read above? What kind of co-operation are you expecting wrt
developers who have repeatedly shown that they can't plain be bothered
with fixing their junk, because they are just way too cool to deal
with some useless idiots, such as bug wranglers?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] FYI: Jakub suspended two weeks for bad behaviour

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:19:14 +0200
"Jakub Moc" <jakub.moc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry, you've miserably failed, you should have retired this guy long
> time ago before things went this far, since he obviously doesn't care
> about Gentoo users, but just about his territorial pissings. Instead,
> you've chosen to jump on me for doing my job. Oh well done indeed.

I believe your job was to assist developers, not to make things harder
for them. Meddling with correctly assigned bugs just to generate
bugspam for people you don't like falls into the latter category.

> Maybe just read above? What kind of co-operation are you expecting wrt
> developers who have repeatedly shown that they can't plain be bothered
> with fixing their junk, because they are just way too cool to deal
> with some useless idiots, such as bug wranglers?

It's good that you've seen straight to the core of the issue.

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[gentoo-dev] [proctors] (was: FYI: Jakub suspended two weeks for bad behaviour)

[Wernfried Haas]

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On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 10:44:09PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:19:14 +0200
> "Jakub Moc" <jakub.moc@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Sorry, you've miserably failed, you should have retired this guy long
> > time ago before things went this far, since he obviously doesn't care
> > about Gentoo users, but just about his territorial pissings. Instead,
> > you've chosen to jump on me for doing my job. Oh well done indeed.
> 
> I believe your job was to assist developers, not to make things harder
> for them. Meddling with correctly assigned bugs just to generate
> bugspam for people you don't like falls into the latter category.
> 
> > Maybe just read above? What kind of co-operation are you expecting wrt
> > developers who have repeatedly shown that they can't plain be bothered
> > with fixing their junk, because they are just way too cool to deal
> > with some useless idiots, such as bug wranglers?
> 
> It's good that you've seen straight to the core of the issue.

Folks,
please let this subthread (and all others other subthreads of this
thread potentially going downhill, too) die before it turns into a
flamewar. 
Remember this is the Gentoo development list and that the Code of
Conduct applies here.

Thank you for your cooperation. Good night.

cheers,
	Wernfried

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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] FYI: Jakub suspended two weeks for bad behaviour

[Jakub Moc]

On 4/18/07, Bryan Østergaard <kloeri@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Now, I didn't set out to threaten him in any way but after 30 minutes
> with no response to my question and even more angry devs demanding me to
> solve this situation I had to do something to stop it. I personally
> think trying to talk to the developer before contemplating disabling
> access is much better than disabling access and asking questions
> afterwards so I tried to get his attention in a rather drastic way. And
> somehow he just happened to respond in less than 30 seconds after that
> at which point we could finally settle the dispute.

Good to see that you are soooo much concerned about other developers.
At the same time you've repeatedly decided to ignore any of my
requests fo intervene when I've been attacked by users/other
developers on bugzilla for no particularly good reason and have been
receiving tens of bugspams per hour. Nice to see the double standards
that have been developed by our impartial devrel lead over time.

> I would have expected jakub to respect the maintainer wishes and at the
> very least try to contact maintainers before repeating this but
> unfortunately he doesn't see any reason to do so from what I can tell.

Why did you once again ignore the points I have made wrt this? Over
and over again, you've been very well aware what's been going on w/
peitolm. And wrt the keywording bugs re-assignment, it's something
that's been done routinely all the time. And I've said that if any
maintainer has issues w/ re-assigning the keywording stuff to arches,
they are welcome to contact me and we'll sort it out. (Oh, and not
exactly my fault that you got angry because alpha has gone ahead of
mips in the slacker stats on these re-assignments, which apparently
was something you couldn't bear.)

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