From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1G7NYt-0001LA-Ae for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 02:31:19 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6V2UQs5020772; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 02:30:26 GMT Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6V2SVfG016084 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 02:28:31 GMT Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id m19so324484nfc for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:28:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rTeULuG3wy1q1hGMelIFkaCVfQvbJuWgZ7pf8Oo0cHjI3OjM/AL/jCm3qIg0qmkdt9BsoyIWpBXD4SecESP4GC1+nTSLDPShOGbFvmIUbpQ+tioSe/FovNdrLq3/0mYUKh/ayR0bL/CZTX6XyxYZ1KNso6rzlm5GJnJp0KZBbHg= Received: by 10.78.147.3 with SMTP id u3mr383376hud; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.121.10 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46059ce10607301928g2ddf667q326d930ffacb81b9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:28:31 -0400 From: "Dan Meltzer" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation (was: Project Sunrise resumed) In-Reply-To: <200607302219.56872.vapier@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200607301751.14157.vapier@gentoo.org> <20060730230757.5c17c0e9@snowdrop.home> <200607302219.56872.vapier@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: cd552e8c-d21d-45bc-a059-fedc218d8d94 X-Archives-Hash: e64107e6d7ba1571fc7b57d9a4d7338a On 7/30/06, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Sunday 30 July 2006 18:07, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > Personally I'd expect the council to block the thing permanently. > > hard to address any sort of concerns here, so i guess i'll just regurgitate > the council log to you > > it's hard for users to get involved in our development process ... i imagine > some consider that a feature, but it leaves a large portion of our community > out in the cold I do not see why it is considdered hard for users to "get involved". Users have at least two choices that I can think of right now, and probably a number that I cannot think of. 1) Users can submit patches/ideas to bugs.g.o at whatever frequency they desire, contributing to gentoo casually. 2) Users can take the quizzes and become a developer, I do not see why two quizzes is considdered an insurmountable task, the quizzes are specifically designed to ensure that people writing ebuilds understand what ebuilds can contain and what they cannot, I could not imagine a user wanting to install a package from an ebuild written by someone that does not know this. > > sunrise is attempting to fill that gap via some controversial methods ... in > review, we deemed that the many concerns raised were pretty much addressed > and any more requests for criticism and useful critiques either went > unanswered or people piped up saying that they were happy with the latest > state > > i (nor anyone else) cannot say whether this venture will succeed, only time > will prove out the project ... sitting around and clamoring for more openness > while killing every attempt at it gets us nowhere > > we take a risk with this project (like every single other project) ... if > sunrise turns out to suck and cause problems, then we kill it, no big deal > -mike > > > -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list