From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EuUbd-0002dc-AM for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:52:37 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k05CpPrG018145; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:51:25 GMT Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k05CnMp2025224 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:49:23 GMT Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so2462159wri for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 04:49:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AHdKdDiyLHDEebOzNVQP1/INEynSydu9lGgZlFUyWS9rpaHRlthOixeJhpwH6FpR39wYLKMSr7j8ytfRjF1Z5EGkpx1Q5rK/jmT5ooYGhYiCSC9j/IBhT+1V/LU085LabEPuK5N61iUouke4VioOj5KbJGFqpvTWdvGhy5mXr+c= Received: by 10.54.72.15 with SMTP id u15mr3830491wra; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 04:49:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.116.8 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 04:49:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <46059ce10601050449x1b52e1e0of8d92fa39067b942@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:49:21 -0500 From: Dan Meltzer To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January In-Reply-To: <1136464569.31358.5.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200601011053.k01ArjOh019213@robin.gentoo.org> <43B975FD.1000401@gentoo.org> <1136228634.23404.125.camel@localhost> <1136230095.8779.32.camel@localhost> <43BAB220.1030601@gentoo.org> <43BAB438.8000301@gentoo.org> <1136312226.27358.59.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> <20060105035857.GH1967@mail.lieber.org> <20060105035706.GA23895@kroah.com> <1136464569.31358.5.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by robin.gentoo.org id k05CnMp2025224 X-Archives-Salt: a58f0086-bec2-4c9e-826e-891c6be58809 X-Archives-Hash: 746dec63cceeb5c146a934d2777d1e66 Here are my random two cents On 1/5/06, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Wed, 2006-01-04 at 19:57 -0800, Greg KH wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 03:58:57AM +0000, Kurt Lieber wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 01:17:06PM -0500 or thereabouts, Chris Gianelloni > > > wrote: > > > > Gentoo is not a distribution of Linux. Gentoo is not anything more than > > > > a loosely bound group of developers all doing their own thing in a > > > > collaborative and collective manner. You cannot use corporate thinking > > > > to manage such a beast. We don't have mission statements. We don't have > > > > road maps. We don't have quarterly earnings and market projections. We > > > > simply exist. > > > > > > Which is why Gentoo has jumped the shark and is now on a long, slow > > > decline. > > > > Ok, then what should Gentoo do to fix this percieved decline? > > Pander to the "enterprise" crowd, of course. You know, take away all of > the stuff that makes Gentoo what it is and slow down development with > more committees, peer review boards, and meetings. We need to all take > a step back and make sure that we're all a part of the "big picture" for > Gentoo. You know, subscribe to the group think. > > Personally, I *love* the fact that the Hardened team has differing goals > from Release Engineering. I also don't see how our goals could ever > really be guided by a single vision. That doesn't keep us from working > together to each accomplish our individual goals. > Apparently it does. How many huge threads have you seen lately that accomplished nothing? How many threads have people started with great ideas, only to give up in disgust because people cause a huge fuss about small details, and nothing ever gets accomplished? Quite a few. > > > > Do you want to be a part of a project that doesn't allow you to > > > > implement some cool new feature because it might make Gentoo slightly > > > > harder to use for some people and that's against the mission statement > > > > so not allowed? > > > > > > Yes, absolutely. > > > > We need a mission statement first :) > > Our mission: To seek out new life and civilization, and to bring Gentoo > to them, by force, if necessary. *grin* > > -- > Chris Gianelloni > Release Engineering - Strategic Lead > x86 Architecture Team > Games - Developer > Gentoo Linux > > -- > gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list > > -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list