From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Een1B-0004gX-8O for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:18:05 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jAN5HNcf019581; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:17:23 GMT Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.197]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAN5FaO7002208 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:15:37 GMT Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so872303wri for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:15:36 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=er96aJTQQT6SKgIpKIgK7lDOcTGkVwt8o6TLxMbfML5ovL3hJlKveO4sVSInfjRL3XcmBtvCDMc3Y7HNyRDE5iyaSFtjVoejQ8veSSg95poBvcUfaRwG+6qFWoWSMBJz+Ysha7bqUdMgfO9tni+KqzV7zvRlE2zdHDCt3rpdsSA= Received: by 10.54.110.18 with SMTP id i18mr3326864wrc; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:15:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.110.15 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:15:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <46059ce10511222115r650f7c2bm4f6902f2851b47e2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:15:36 -0500 From: Dan Meltzer To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051122144745.GR12982@mail.lieber.org> <20051122143743.GV5305@sole.infis.univ.trieste.it> <1132672444.27288.18.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> <438338AE.1060501@gentoo.org> <1132674486.27288.24.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by robin.gentoo.org id jAN5FaO7002208 X-Archives-Salt: b73b513a-40a6-4c14-ae43-d9e71cbb81c9 X-Archives-Hash: 26f4355b0e48b8ef30e79e185565d895 On 11/22/05, R Hill wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 16:26 +0100, Marc Hildebrand wrote: > >> Chris Gianelloni wrote: > >> [..] > >>> Now, on the topic of the tarballs. > >>> > >>> Give me one example of something that you can do with a stage1 or stage2 > >>> tarball that you cannot with a stage3 tarball. > >>> > >> Answer: Download it in less than 10 minutes. > > > > I'd love to see you do the same with a stage1 tarball + all the > > distfiles you'll need to go from stage1 to stage3. > > What about someone on dialup who needs a rescue CD to boot into their system > after they've trashed the MBR? 88MiB vs 14MiB is a big difference in this case. Erm, why would I need a stage 1 for a rescue cd? > > > In case you're wondering, it's more than the size of a stage3 tarball, > > by quite a bit. > > > >> The question of interest is: Will we keep changing things without a GLEP > >> that should *never* be touched without one? > > > > Since when is this GLEP material? > > Are you kidding? Since it's a fundamentally significant and highly visible > change in the workings of Gentoo. The three-stage build system is one of the > distinguishing characteristics of Gentoo, up there with source-based, install > from scratch, and highly customizable. Every review of Gentoo I've ever seen at > least mentions it. It removes no functionality, it adds no functionality. It simply changes it. How is this GLEP materiel? > > For the record, I don't think it matters if stage 1 goes away. Make stage 3 the > Official and Supported Way of installing Gentoo, but provide stage 1 as a > minimal LiveCD/RescueCD option. Make a mention in the install documentation > along the lines of > > "It is also possible to do a full install of Gentoo using a minimal Rescue > LiveCD and a network connection. This method is depreciated and should only be > used if circumstances prevent you using the Universal LiveCD. Note that we do > _not_ provide support for systems built using minimal installations, so you're > on your own." > > (linkity to a new separate stage 1 doc page) > > > > --de. > > -- > gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list > > -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list