Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation

[Dan Meltzer <parallelgrapefruit@gmail.com>]

On 11/22/05, R Hill <dirtyepic.sk@gmail.com> wrote:
> Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 16:26 +0100, Marc Hildebrand wrote:
> >> Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> >> [..]
> >>> Now, on the topic of the tarballs.
> >>>
> >>> Give me one example of something that you can do with a stage1 or stage2
> >>> tarball that you cannot with a stage3 tarball.
> >>>
> >> Answer: Download it in less than 10 minutes.
> >
> > I'd love to see you do the same with a stage1 tarball + all the
> > distfiles you'll need to go from stage1 to stage3.
>
> What about someone on dialup who needs a rescue CD to boot into their system
> after they've trashed the MBR?  88MiB vs 14MiB is a big difference in this case.
Erm, why would I need a stage 1 for a rescue cd?
>
> > In case you're wondering, it's more than the size of a stage3 tarball,
> > by quite a bit.
> >
> >> The question of interest is: Will we keep changing things without a GLEP
> >> that should *never* be touched without one?
> >
> > Since when is this GLEP material?
>
> Are you kidding?  Since it's a fundamentally significant and highly visible
> change in the workings of Gentoo.  The three-stage build system is one of the
> distinguishing characteristics of Gentoo, up there with source-based, install
> from scratch, and highly customizable.  Every review of Gentoo I've ever seen at
> least mentions it.

It removes no functionality, it adds no functionality.  It simply
changes it.  How is this GLEP materiel?
>
> For the record, I don't think it matters if stage 1 goes away.  Make stage 3 the
> Official and Supported Way of installing Gentoo, but provide stage 1 as a
> minimal LiveCD/RescueCD option.  Make a mention in the install documentation
> along the lines of
>
> "It is also possible to do a full install of Gentoo using a minimal Rescue
> LiveCD and a network connection.  This method is depreciated and should only be
> used if circumstances prevent you using the Universal LiveCD.  Note that we do
> _not_ provide support for systems built using minimal installations, so you're
> on your own."
>
> (linkity to a new separate stage 1 doc page)
>
>
>
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