From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EWvOX-0007WT-Ov for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:37:42 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jA1CQXsM009089; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:26:33 GMT Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jA1CKu7E010190 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:20:56 GMT Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so519180wri for ; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 04:20:55 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rbhKjcgPQ2GsILaczWviUgGxp/Q+nXjAJH6n32K7yqEzkbrH3tdRon3jaNnFUZtQOExhe2FbtNuiXFfItEQhN12vocC5ajZPAMaR7tTZbvf2XfCkQYOgHltVu6aOjwhPlHwSQvGwRs18nU61Gz8NMsOgngNE6TbGruy3MiFe3wc= Received: by 10.54.141.13 with SMTP id o13mr1368928wrd; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 04:20:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.110.16 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 04:20:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <46059ce10511010420s7410e79odeee7cb43189be84@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:20:55 -0500 From: Dan Meltzer To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting In-Reply-To: <20051101121327.GA6659@ols-dell.iic.hokudai.ac.jp> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051101015125.1cc45eb4@snowdrop.home> <43673CB6.1010907@gentoo.org> <1875709846.20051101114508@gentoo.org> <20051101121327.GA6659@ols-dell.iic.hokudai.ac.jp> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by robin.gentoo.org id jA1CKu7E010190 X-Archives-Salt: 96755004-1cb6-465e-93b8-72f555d1f15e X-Archives-Hash: d574d181109e47aaed5534f38c2a93df Two things. One, if users run --sync in a cronjob, which many do, this preemptive goes out the window. Two, an alternative to that, if we are all recoding portage anyways :) Have portage place a special note next to any items with relevent news when -a or -p is passed, and then, emerge --news cat/package could show relvent stuff, or --news to see it all. On 11/1/05, Georgi Georgiev wrote: > maillog: 01/11/2005-11:45:08(+0100): Jakub Moc types > > 1.11.2005, 11:00:22, Thierry Carrez wrote: > > > > > Aren't those messages displayed after the damage is done ? Typical use > : > > > > > - emerge --sync run as a daily cron job > > > - emerge -a mysql > > > - great, a new version is there. Typing "Yes" > > > - system gets borken > > > - emerge spits out message saying 14 files need updating and there is 1 > > > unread news item > > > > > I'm probably missing something here. Please elaborate on how this GLEP > > > meets the "Preemptive" design goal... > > > > > > I'm probably missing something obvious here, because I can't see why > *existing* > > emerge --changelog code cannot be recycled for this feature to display > upgrade > > messages when running emerge -uDav world... > > That reminds me of the idea to stick tags in the ChangeLog: > http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.dev/msg/8f2dc84619be5c5b?fwc=1 > > But still, I'm guessing the idea of "--news" is to tell people that they > need to do something A.S.A.P. This means as soon as the news are > obtained, and the users are nagged about the news on *every invocation > of emerge*, similar to the /etc messages, and not only when they decide > to install some package, which is when --changelog kicks in. > > And then, I am not sure why glsa-check cannot do the same job... > > -- > () Georgi Georgiev () Computers are unreliable, but humans are () > () chutz@gg3.net () even more unreliable. Any system which () > () http://www.gg3.net/ () depends on human reliability is () > () ------------------- () unreliable. -- Gilb () > > -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list