[gentoo-dev] ATTN: Fw: "Please let's talk if spamming everyone pointlessly is really needed."

[gentoo-dev] ATTN: Fw: "Please let's talk if spamming everyone pointlessly is really needed."

[Jeroen Roovers]

     Hello fellow humans,


this is a brief headsup about my current inability to communicate
through the official channel bugs.gentoo.org because of what seems like
a ComRel[1] action[2] suspending my account. If you have important
information to share on the many hundreds of packages I maintain, do
not hesitate to use my e-mail address directly or approach me on IRC
(Freenode or OFTC).


Kind regards,
     jer


[1] I.e. the people purportedly responsible for ensuring proper
communications between members of the Gentoo Linux community.

[2]
https://rooversj.home.xs4all.nl/gentoo/2018-06-07-204422_1920x1080_scrot.png




Begin forwarded message:

Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 22:39:22 +0200
From: "Andreas K. Huettel" <dilfridge@gentoo.org>
To: Jeroen Roovers <jer@gentoo.org>
Cc: bugzilla@gentoo.org, comrel@gentoo.org
Subject: Re: "Please let's talk if spamming everyone pointlessly is
really needed."


Am Donnerstag, 7. Juni 2018, 20:51:30 CEST schrieb Jeroen Roovers:
> What's going on here?
> 
> "Please let's talk if spamming everyone pointlessly is really needed."
>                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> If your mind is made up about the point of mass
> changes, then why bother enquiring about it? I would think infra@
> takes such actions to protect the services, not to argue about the
> merits of changes.  

This wasn't infra, this was me. Following a complaint on #g-comrel, I
checked the bug backlog and saw that you changed (likely much) more
than 50 bugs in a very short time. On a quick glance the changes were
against longstanding policy.

Thank you for getting back.

* If you see the necessity to change a long-standing guideline, 
* and if that involves a lot of people getting a lot of non-informative 
bugmail ("spam"), 

I would be very grateful if you could 

* inform the community about the policy change on the mailing lists, 
* and coordinate with Infra so the mails are suppressed somehow.

Thank you. I will happily re-activate your account if you agree to
this, otherwise I'll defer a decision on that to the rest of comrel and
a vote.

> For my part, I was doing what I have been doing for more than a
> decade.  

That is part of the problem.

-- 
Andreas K. Hüttel
dilfridge@gentoo.org
Gentoo Linux developer
(council, toolchain, perl, libreoffice, comrel)

Re: [gentoo-dev] ATTN: Fw: "Please let's talk if spamming everyone pointlessly is really needed."

[Tom Wijsman]

Suspension shouldn't leave you out of receiving e-mails from Bugzilla; 
if so, I consider that a bug.

On 6/9/2018 12:59 PM, Jeroen Roovers wrote:
>       Hello fellow humans,
>
>
> this is a brief headsup about my current inability to communicate
> through the official channel bugs.gentoo.org because of what seems like
> a ComRel[1] action[2] suspending my account. If you have important
> information to share on the many hundreds of packages I maintain, do
> not hesitate to use my e-mail address directly or approach me on IRC
> (Freenode or OFTC).
>
>
> Kind regards,
>       jer
>
>
> [1] I.e. the people purportedly responsible for ensuring proper
> communications between members of the Gentoo Linux community.
>
> [2]
> https://rooversj.home.xs4all.nl/gentoo/2018-06-07-204422_1920x1080_scrot.png
>
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 22:39:22 +0200
> From: "Andreas K. Huettel" <dilfridge@gentoo.org>
> To: Jeroen Roovers <jer@gentoo.org>
> Cc: bugzilla@gentoo.org, comrel@gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: "Please let's talk if spamming everyone pointlessly is
> really needed."
>
>
> Am Donnerstag, 7. Juni 2018, 20:51:30 CEST schrieb Jeroen Roovers:
>> What's going on here?
>>
>> "Please let's talk if spamming everyone pointlessly is really needed."
>>                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> If your mind is made up about the point of mass
>> changes, then why bother enquiring about it? I would think infra@
>> takes such actions to protect the services, not to argue about the
>> merits of changes.
> This wasn't infra, this was me. Following a complaint on #g-comrel, I
> checked the bug backlog and saw that you changed (likely much) more
> than 50 bugs in a very short time. On a quick glance the changes were
> against longstanding policy.
>
> Thank you for getting back.
>
> * If you see the necessity to change a long-standing guideline,
> * and if that involves a lot of people getting a lot of non-informative
> bugmail ("spam"),
>
> I would be very grateful if you could
>
> * inform the community about the policy change on the mailing lists,
> * and coordinate with Infra so the mails are suppressed somehow.
>
> Thank you. I will happily re-activate your account if you agree to
> this, otherwise I'll defer a decision on that to the rest of comrel and
> a vote.
>
>> For my part, I was doing what I have been doing for more than a
>> decade.
> That is part of the problem.
>