From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GToPB-0005Xv-6a for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:38:01 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8UNaYdi004962; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:36:34 GMT Received: from palm.sejo.be (83-217-70-247.mh.be [83.217.70.247] (may be forged)) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8UNWRs1020275 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:32:27 GMT Received: from localhost (palm.local [127.0.0.1]) by palm.sejo.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0FD179027A2 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:32:26 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sejo.be, gentoo.be, keanu.be, eenhalfke.be, everlasting.be, vandeplas.com, schoonheidssalon.be Received: from palm.sejo.be ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (palm.sejo.be [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TPa5rDiqr5V9 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:32:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.238] (59.29-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.240.29.59]) by palm.sejo.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3480C78E3825 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:32:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <451EFE80.7020800@sejo.be> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:32:16 +0200 From: Jochen Maes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060917) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] OT noise (Was: Profile masking and profiles package.mask) References: <200609300640.14616@enterprise.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org> <200609301059.46221.vapier@gentoo.org> <451EA32A.50400@gentoo.org> <200609301944.08656.kugelfang@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <200609301944.08656.kugelfang@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 99e8fa66-3675-489e-866f-d686ae6124cc X-Archives-Hash: 681088abbeef5d7a8a9e9e787605d16c Danny van Dyk wrote: > Am Samstag, 30. September 2006 19:02 schrieb Jakub Moc: > >> Mike Frysinger wrote: >> >>> seriously jakub, stop responding ... you have nothing technical to >>> offer to the issue at hand >>> >>> let the people who work on portage handle it >>> -mike >>> >> Eh, the whole technical point here is that paludis behaviour differs >> from portage (and differs from pkgcore, FWIW). >> > This has little to do with why this change to the devmanual has been > done. > > >> So, hiding the inconsistency via altering the profiles doesn't change >> anything. Plus, the point of the bug's flame fest was that bugzilla >> is not a proper place to request such behaviour changes, and >> definitely not a reason for QA to mess with the profiles. Sticking >> the stuff in package.mask won't make the inconsistent behaviour >> vanish in any way, it will just hide it. >> > It is not a behaviour change imho. The "packages" file changed > its meaning subtly after introducing cascading profiles. > As ciaranm already pointed out: It is not meant to mask "<"-like > versions anymore. It's meant to > - Describe the system package set > - Define which versions are _at least_ needed for a profile. > > >> So, I'd kinda appreciate if concerned folks (including portage and >> relevant affected arches) were involved in this discussion, instead >> of sneaking the changes in under QA disguise. >> > Release engineering arch coordinators, which happen to be the people who > maintain the profiles below default-linux/ for their relevant arches, > have been CCed and Chris already stated that he forgot/didn't realize > to fix this problem for no-nptl/2.4's package.mask. > > Jakub: Please reevaluate the behaviour you showed on both the bug and > this mailing list. I for one don't consider it anywhere near > appropriate. This shall be no offense, just a comment in regard that > you can do better. > mike, danny, thanks for trying, but past reference showed that he likes to talk like a chicken who's head has been chopped of. This whole discussion made most of the people forget what it was about... good on ya jakub... > Danny > -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list