From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GQjyK-0008SA-ED for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:17:36 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8MCGiCq011699; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:16:44 GMT Received: from palm.sejo.be (83-217-70-247.mh.be [83.217.70.247] (may be forged)) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8MCEfJX030357 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:14:41 GMT Received: from localhost (palm.local [127.0.0.1]) by palm.sejo.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06477A16137 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:14:40 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sejo.be, gentoo.be, keanu.be, eenhalfke.be, everlasting.be, vandeplas.com, schoonheidssalon.be Received: from palm.sejo.be ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (palm.sejo.be [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VkfPxyz3gN-u for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:14:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.38.13] (unknown [195.122.110.8]) by palm.sejo.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89C87A16126 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:14:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4513D3A0.50306@sejo.be> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:14:24 +0200 From: Jochen Maes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060917) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Delay in approval of new developers References: <20060921175501.GI25921@feynman.corp.halliburton.com> <4512D9DE.9050405@gentoo.org> <20060921213418.48a9a9fb@snowdrop.home> <4512FACC.3080306@gentoo.org> <4513AC06.8020803@gentoo.org> <4513C5C2.3030207@sejo.be> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 19f321a7-9f79-4176-a6fa-752bc45bfa30 X-Archives-Hash: 945864b74dcea5e053938ef89c9c6557 Peter wrote: > On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:15:14 +0200, Jochen Maes wrote: > > snip... > > >>> glad you were an exception. >>> >>> >>> >> glad i never knew you when i was a gentoo dev... I know one thing, you >> won't ever get a hump out of me! >> > > You're arguing a different point. I was commenting on the time delay, and > you responded with how difficult it is to be a recruiter. If the delay is > long then there is a problem. If you run a business and you want to hire > someone, yet you wait and wait and wait, it's quite possible the recruit > may accept another position. That's a loss to you. Same with potential > gentoo developers. When someone goes through the trouble to complete > tests, work with his/her mentor, spend time on bz, etc., the least they > can expect is courteous response when they choose to become a dev. > Perusing through recruitment bugs, you can see long lapses. It IS > inexcusable. > > Yes, everyone does gentoo voluntarily, but that does not mean less should > be expected. It reminds me of the time my 5 year old cousin sadly was in > the hospital, and the nurse needed to take yet another blood sample. The > nurse said "I'm sorry I have to take blood again. I don't like to hurt > little boys." To which my very sharp cousin replied, "So, why are you in > this business?" > > If a gentoo dev joins a particular project to perform a particular task, > he/she IS making a commitment to it. The dev should have known in advance > what's expected and the time required. AFAIK recruiters are hardly > overworked. There is no overfull pipeline of dev recruits banging on the > doors. > > Simple courtesy requires they handle recruiting bugs quickly and > efficiently with either a Welcome or a thumbs down. Dragging the > recruitment out only makes it harder to get new recruits. They are, in > effect, working against themselves and their own goal. > > >> glad i never knew you when i was a gentoo dev >> > > I have been recruited 3 times to be a dev, and declined. I find the gentoo > hierarchy and organization stifling and the amount of roadblocks to > progress ridiculous. > > I appreciate your POV. Yes, you can't expect too much from volunteers. > But, in a worldwide linux distribution, which is run more or less like a > business, there is a higher standard that should be adhered to. I don't > accept slackers or inefficiency in my business, and nor should gentoo. > > Why are you no longer a gentoo-dev, btw? > > because i was sick of people discussing things that they knew shite about and cluttering up the mailinglists. you _can't_ compare gentoo with a business. simple as that arf, why did i even start... /me closes dev mailbox for another month -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list