From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GQhMx-0007d6-Nf for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:30:52 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8M9TB54012052; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:29:11 GMT Received: from mail.whitley.unimelb.edu.au (mail.whitley.unimelb.edu.au [203.5.71.8]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8M9PZTQ012864 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:25:36 GMT Received: (qmail 978 invoked by uid 210); 22 Sep 2006 09:26:11 -0000 Received: from 150.101.166.130 by iridium (envelope-from , uid 201) with qmail-scanner-1.25st (clamdscan: 0.88.2/1919. spamassassin: 3.1.0. perlscan: 1.25st. Clear:RC:0(150.101.166.130):SA:0(-2.6/5.0):. Processed in 3.033326 secs); 22 Sep 2006 09:26:11 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=5.0 Received: from ppp166-130.static.internode.on.net (HELO [192.168.1.102]) (aross@[150.101.166.130]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.whitley.unimelb.edu.au (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 22 Sep 2006 09:26:07 -0000 Message-ID: <4513AC06.8020803@gentoo.org> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:25:26 +1000 From: Andrew Ross Organization: Gentoo User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Macintosh/20060909) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-dev] Delay in approval of new developers References: <20060921175501.GI25921@feynman.corp.halliburton.com> <4512D9DE.9050405@gentoo.org> <20060921213418.48a9a9fb@snowdrop.home> <4512FACC.3080306@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.0 OpenPGP: id=061CDD57 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig85FE0C38BB52115239DE8559" X-Archives-Salt: 250ff487-032b-46bd-872c-9ede2636b00e X-Archives-Hash: d1e94acb06564e7dde32107b14622363 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig85FE0C38BB52115239DE8559 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Peter wrote: > On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:01:02 -0400, Mike Pagano wrote: >> Maybe a recruiting drive to help with the maintenance. A typical >> business brings on new blood and assigns them just that role to free u= p >> more senior developers for more complicated projects. >> >> New developers should definitely meet a standard, but the possibility = of >> bringing developers with energy and potential to assist in maintenance= >> might be worth a consideration. >=20 > That's a laugh! Problem is that no devs seem to get approved in a timel= y > fashion. As a recently recruited developer, I'd just like to say that I was very happy with the approval time of my recruitment bug (#139633), which was filed on 2006-07-07 and resolved on 2006-08-08. I understand that not all recruitments occur as quickly as mine, but I also accept that Gentoo is comprised solely of volunteers, and that devrel (and particularly recruiters) are understaffed (in terms of available manhours - not necessarily project members). > Having developers submit ebuild quizzes and > then not hear for 6 weeks is silly. I'll assume here that you're referring to hearing back from recruiters, rather than a mentor. If a mentor is taking that long to respond they need to be replaced, as per http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/recruiters/mentor.xml If recruiters are taking that long, but it's due primarily to a lack of manpower, then there's not much that can be done to improve the situation. It's not like the potential-dev has to sit around twiddling their thumbs - bugs still need to be fixed, and if there's a holdup with devrel the mentor can offer to commit things on behalf of the recruitee. Not all developers are cut out to be recruiters, and I'm sure some of those who have what it takes would rather work on something else :-) Much like infrastructure, my impression is that being a recruiter isn't exactly a glamorous role. On top of that, the actions a recruiter must perform for each recruitment aren't exactly 5 minute jobs: "Recruiters need to possess several talents in order to successfully oversee additions to the development team. First and foremost, a recruiter needs to be a good judge of character. While most new developer sponsors pick only the best candidates, there have been and will be occasional duds. Recruiters need to be able to analyze an individual's background, experience, and past contributions, then use that information to decide whether or not to accept a developer. Recruiters also need to be aware of the big picture in order to recognize weaknesses in the organization and accept developers who will shore up those weaknesses." http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/recruiters/ Cheers Andrew --------------enig85FE0C38BB52115239DE8559 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFE6wJ3KhEUAYc3VcRAimqAKCF0O/gFAMmHsurGl9R1uJ1iYjLkQCghIJc ObTOx21K5RrrHVTZrWZfCeE= =aCGX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig85FE0C38BB52115239DE8559-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list