From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GQEZ1-0000PL-C8 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 02:45:23 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8L2hnCE009452; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 02:43:49 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8L2fnID012689 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 02:41:50 GMT Received: from [192.168.1.106] (c-67-171-150-177.hsd1.or.comcast.net [67.171.150.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D0964852 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 02:41:49 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4511FBEB.8000803@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:41:47 -0700 From: Donnie Berkholz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060916) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds References: <429613795-1158764726-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-1614084655-@bxe050-cell01.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <20060920212715.5e82c91d@snowdrop.home> <200609201433.18413.chriswhite@gentoo.org> <200609210024.42739.kugelfang@gentoo.org> <4511C3C5.3000600@gentoo.org> <1158794271.7202.40.camel@edge> In-Reply-To: <1158794271.7202.40.camel@edge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 5cab67ef-9918-4350-84dc-bc67d8b7cd58 X-Archives-Hash: d58d531c96ab13eecea8ff7d6bc0500f Daniel Ostrow wrote: > Here is my take on the issue, it's something I saw happen when Gentoo on > Mac OSX was announced, again with Sunrise, and now with Seeds (also note > I'm not making a value judgment about any of the aforementioned > projects, I just note a similar progression of events). There are those > among us (myself often included, and mostly because I had a hand in the > way the OSX port was handled at the outset) that believe that you > shouldn't announce things in the manner of "Gentoo is doing XYZ now." in > public fora (lists, gwn whataveyou) without first talking internally to > verify the viability of the project, it's impacts on other projects, > potential points of collaboration etc. This also coming up with a > rational reference implementation and a list of tools that you will > need. Now I realize that this means that there is less public visibility > for projects in their larval stage, which can mean less (new) hands > helping to figure out the above, but it also means an informed set of > peers and no surprises. Those of us with that belief ought to realign their actions with the current, democratically approved (woohoo, go democracy!) metastructure proposal. It says anyone can create a project at any time. Whether it comes as an announcement that a new project has been created (which means what exactly? A single webpage in Gentoo CVS at proj/en/? Yeah, let's spaz out over how irreversible that is..) or as a proposal, it's a surprise in the first place and it informs your peers. Either way it ought to get them excited about getting involved and helping to improve plans, not flipping out over how they weren't informed privately in advance because it pertains to them. Private talk on private lists is for closed projects. Thanks, Donnie -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list