From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GQB9W-0002Pe-2Q for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:06:50 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8KN5tWq018980; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:05:55 GMT Received: from creativecommunications.com (creativecommunications.com [65.17.124.162]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8KN3pcu032725 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:03:51 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by creativecommunications.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9879844C24B for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:03:50 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at creativecommunications.com Received: from [192.168.1.145] (unknown [192.168.1.145]) by creativecommunications.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CCD544C029 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:03:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4511C8BB.3050807@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:03:23 -0500 From: Andrew Gaffney User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060918) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New project: Gentoo Seeds References: <45119E0A.8060100@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 1c66c242-b915-4da0-ab74-70d3131ae556 X-Archives-Hash: 4f78c8519ca3a4035f79dfeabd2b6911 Stuart Herbert wrote: > On 9/20/06, Andrew Gaffney wrote: >> Well, now it's gotten to the point where people are being sneaky and >> underhanded >> about this whole thing. Stuart (I believe) said that they had talked >> to members >> of releng about this, but the truth seems to be that Stuart talked >> with rocket >> and Xen support in stages and some random user associated with this >> project >> talked to plasmaroo about using catalyst for stage4 builds. > > Could you be a little more polite about our users _please_? There was > a day when I was just "some random user", just as there was for you > and everyone else who is, or has been, a Gentoo dev. By "some random user", I meant that plasmaroo had absolutely no idea that he was associated with this Gentoo project that you announced this morning. It was not an insult against our users. > Here's one thing I don't get. We have a project (Gentoo Seeds), which > is attracting interest and volunteers both from inside the Gentoo dev > ranks and (especially) outside. Granted, it's not a lot of people, > but interest is always welcome. Assuming we go on, and are successful > in establishing a sustainable project, that translates into extra > folks working on releases (and fresh eyes to boot). It might only be > one or two people, but that's still one or two people more than what > we had midnight last Sunday. > > Given all the complaints from releng in general (and Chris in > particular) about there not being _enough_ folks working on releases, > isn't this a _great_ opportunity for releng to recruit some > additional, motivated folks to help solve that problem? Can't you see > that? The help Releng needs is with *testing*. We've got building covered just fine. > How much of a dent in this opportunity do you think this afternoon's > outpouring has made? How many folks, reading what you've said (and > what you've ignored), will still feel motivated to consider maybe > moving on to releng in the future? > > Could you have a think about that, and re-consider the unnecessary > hostility and unjustified accusations that you're filling this thread > with? Unjustified accusations? Can you point out one "unjustified accusation" I've made? -- Andrew Gaffney http://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/ Gentoo Linux Developer Installer Project -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list