From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GJyW7-0007WM-2w for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:24:31 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k83KNowr023276; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 20:23:50 GMT Received: from smtp6.libero.it (smtp6.libero.it [193.70.192.59]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k83KL1gW030879 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 20:21:01 GMT Received: from localhost (172.16.1.202) by smtp6.libero.it (7.0.027-DD01) id 44ECCE5800C0AFDA for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 22:21:01 +0200 Received: from smtp1.libero.it ([172.16.1.224]) by localhost (asav16.libero.it [193.70.193.3]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18022-13-3 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 22:21:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.6] (adsl-ull-63-51.44-151.net24.it [151.44.51.63]) by smtp1.libero.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD837A8C07 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 22:21:00 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <44FB3928.8040201@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:20:56 +0200 From: Luca Barbato User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060803) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The Age of the Universe References: <44F95E3E.9000708@gentoo.org> <44F96559.6010003@gentoo.org> <44F96881.90806@gentoo.org> <200609021426.03618.kugelfang@gentoo.org> <44F988FB.3070001@gentoo.org> <44F98BB5.5010402@gentoo.org> <44F98FAF.5020508@gentoo.org> <44F991D7.9060905@gentoo.org> <1157311917.13936.20.camel@vertigo.twi-31o2.org> In-Reply-To: <1157311917.13936.20.camel@vertigo.twi-31o2.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it X-Archives-Salt: 71c53948-e55b-4a66-a036-38f1e0f8030d X-Archives-Hash: 73ce56db4a11b8ba57bc838f0c331736 Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Sun, 2006-09-03 at 07:41 +0000, Wiktor Wandachowicz wrote: >> its developers. Edgar's call was targeted mostly at releng and QA teams, who >> should poke developers to decrease number of similar problems. > > Sorry, but Release Engineering has no wishes to become the "Gentoo > Developer Babysitting Project" at this time. We would much prefer work > on our release media. If some project, for any reason, is not up to > snuff, it is *not* our job to fix it. There are simply too many > projects out there. Would you rather we switch to a Debian model where > everything has to be perfect, but we don't release for 5 years? > I'd rather have people ignore trolls (hi Enrico in disguise) If something is broken and _NOBODY_ noticed it before either: - it isn't a showstopper for most of the devs and we hadn't got the complaints from our users - it should be p.masked or updated with medium priority. if our favourite cu-troll wants to point that some programs written by a dog are ugly he could use the same time to fill a proper bug and or provide patches. that said releng has the duty to just provide a livecd that works and stages that could be used to start getting a working system and I think they succeeded as usual. There are some known issue pointed already but nothing could be perfect. "Release quickly & release often" maybe isn't really THE solution, but "make it to the deadline decently well and plan a -r1 to address some of the known issues that could hit more people in the future(eg new hw support)" looks good enough. that said I hope that the sales on trollfood will end ... -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list