From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GJXz2-0002xh-Io for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:04:37 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k82G3riF015570; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 16:03:53 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k82G1JTV024441 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 16:01:30 GMT Received: from [192.168.5.10] (dsl081-148-077.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.148.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13ABA6493F; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 13:55:37 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <44F98D55.8020706@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 08:55:33 -0500 From: Mike Doty User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060809) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org CC: kugelfang@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The Age of the Universe References: <44F95E3E.9000708@gentoo.org> <44F96559.6010003@gentoo.org> <44F96881.90806@gentoo.org> <200609021426.03618.kugelfang@gentoo.org> <44F988FB.3070001@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <44F988FB.3070001@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 7e565f45-2785-4833-9431-59b83f50fd3b X-Archives-Hash: 4dce394d2b320348b456fa1f54af3f4d -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Edgar Hucek wrote: > Danny van Dyk schrieb: >> Am Samstag, 2. September 2006 13:18 schrieb Edgar Hucek: >>>>> 2.) Enable the use flage accessibility gnome cant be >>>>> merged. It fails on compile the speech-tools. >>>>> It seams that USE flags are not realy tested or how >>>>> can it happen that there are already know bugs in the >>>>> stable distro ? >>>>> >>>>> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116030 >>>>> >>>>> Festival and the speech-tools are well know not to >>>>> compile with gcc >=4. >>>> Well, you know - if you go to read the speech-tools/festival & co. >>>> bug, and read the ebuild, you'll see that the whole thing and code >>>> is one huge mess, that doesn't compile even w/ gcc-3.3 without >>>> patching. You'd probably prefer to never put out a new release, I >>>> guess? How many people are using this one, and how does it justify >>>> delaying the release even more? >>> From my point of view, should it be garanted that a package and >>> depencies compiles when all use flags are enabled. If a depency can't >>> be compiled the use flag and depence should be dissabled/removed from >>> a package. >> Please _think_ before you make such a demand. Just a small investigation >> would show this: >> >> dev-lang/php-5.1.4-r6 has _96_ USE flags. That makes 2^96 = 7.9928+28 >> combinations. Given the (unreasonable) assumption that each compilation >> would only take 1s and each compilation would actually succeed, you'd >> still have ~8e28 seconds. The age of the universe is approximately 4e17 >> seconds. >> >> This hasn't yet investigated allt he possible combinations of packages >> depending on dev-lang/php, or the ~10,000 other packages in the tree. >> >> Danny > > Just a side hint. Try to enable all flags at the first cimpile time would > reduce trys drasticaly ;) > So you say a developer cant't test all useflags? That is a strange > message from you. How can a developer garantee that his package is correct. > Realy funny, i only hear exuses but no real solution for the problem. > The fact is, that long outstanding bugs are simple ignored. If a useflag > would only apply to one package it could be ok, but not when the same > useflag is in other packages and makes this one useflag for the "normal user" > unusable. > > cu > > Edgar (gimli) Hucek > Edgar- You clearly have absolutely no idea how development and testing happens. This is *free* software with no warranty. Our releases are tested with the profile defaults provided in the release. Nothing more. If that's not good enough for you, please find a distribution that you have to pay for like RHEL. Their testing is no better than ours, but at least paying something entitles you to bitch at them. - -- ======================================================= Mike Doty kingtaco -at- gentoo.org Gentoo/AMD64 Strategic Lead Gentoo Developer Relations Gentoo Recruitment Lead Gentoo Infrastructure GPG: E1A5 1C9C 93FE F430 C1D6 F2AF 806B A2E4 19F4 AE05 ======================================================= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUBRPmNU4BrouQZ9K4FAQLu0QQAwHVnw/zCbHTjDLb3h50tMiUkdgfhZTpF sEYpsee/LlgYpoVqZoukOQ7X3h8N5uRaHNU/SkcS6blMYGNGhdbPuu9taOylp+x1 6BoXi7FlA3tbSpmRQQdsSO3/fqWwS26lHYKtvkYkhFfqjSP+wd3NZPBlUH4hVpbo id2I+hvq8R0= =3jiw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list