Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The Age of the Universe

[Mike Doty <kingtaco@gentoo.org>]

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Edgar Hucek wrote:
> Danny van Dyk schrieb:
>> Am Samstag, 2. September 2006 13:18 schrieb Edgar Hucek:
>>>>> 2.) Enable the use flage accessibility gnome cant be
>>>>> merged. It fails on compile the speech-tools.
>>>>> It seams that USE flags are not realy tested or how
>>>>> can it happen that there are already know bugs in the
>>>>> stable distro ?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116030
>>>>>
>>>>> Festival and the speech-tools are well know not to
>>>>> compile with gcc >=4.
>>>> Well, you know - if you go to read the speech-tools/festival & co.
>>>> bug, and read the ebuild, you'll see that the whole thing and code
>>>> is one huge mess, that doesn't compile even w/ gcc-3.3 without
>>>> patching. You'd probably prefer to never put out a new release, I
>>>> guess? How many people are using this one, and how does it justify
>>>> delaying the release even more?
>>> From my point of view, should it be garanted that a package and
>>> depencies compiles when all use flags are enabled. If a depency can't
>>> be compiled the use flag and depence should be dissabled/removed from
>>> a package.
>> Please _think_ before you make such a demand. Just a small investigation 
>> would show this:
>>
>> dev-lang/php-5.1.4-r6 has _96_ USE flags. That makes 2^96 = 7.9928+28 
>> combinations. Given the (unreasonable) assumption that each compilation 
>> would only take 1s and each compilation would actually succeed, you'd 
>> still have ~8e28 seconds. The age of the universe is approximately 4e17 
>> seconds.
>>
>> This hasn't yet investigated allt he possible combinations of packages 
>> depending on dev-lang/php, or the ~10,000 other packages in the tree.
>>
>> Danny
> 
> Just a side hint. Try to enable all flags at the first cimpile time would
> reduce trys drasticaly ;)
> So you say a developer cant't test all useflags? That is a strange
> message from you. How can a developer garantee that his package is correct.
> Realy funny, i only hear exuses but no real solution for the problem.
> The fact is, that long outstanding bugs are simple ignored. If a useflag
> would only apply to one package it could be ok, but not when the same
> useflag is in other packages and makes this one useflag for the "normal user"
> unusable.
> 
> cu
> 
> Edgar (gimli) Hucek
> 
Edgar-

You clearly have absolutely no idea how development and testing happens.
 This is *free* software with no warranty.  Our releases are tested with
the profile defaults provided in the release.  Nothing more.  If that's
not good enough for you, please find a distribution that you have to pay
for like RHEL.  Their testing is no better than ours, but at least
paying something entitles you to bitch at them.

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