From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GGmJ3-0000Kb-Vt for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 00:45:50 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k7Q0j264027836; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 00:45:02 GMT Received: from egr.msu.edu (jeeves.egr.msu.edu [35.9.37.127]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7Q0hB7T012920 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 00:43:11 GMT Received: from [35.11.210.66] (warnera6.user.msu.edu [35.11.210.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by egr.msu.edu (8.13.7/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k7Q0h88t001749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44EF992F.6050408@gentoo.org> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:43:27 -0400 From: Alec Warner Organization: Gentoo User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060612) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet References: <44ECF00D.7050107@gentoo.org> <44EE135A.6010509@gentoo.org> <1156462089.19720.78.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> <44EE8C57.7020301@gentoo.org> <44EF703D.3000006@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <44EF703D.3000006@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 OpenPGP: id=51C1BC98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: a346dd3d-d5c2-43c0-b37c-2d2992f78a79 X-Archives-Hash: f0af4c68d7083875e5e7d0d3e5ac19d9 > PORTAGE: > Portage developers are afraid to put anything new in the tree for fear > of breaking things (and somewhat rightly so). But as noted, it also > means you get new stuff very infrequently. > > I think the portage team has either done a poor job of bringing their > issues to the table; or the community has done a poor job addressing them. > So Brian Harring poked me on irc a bit, and I will expand upon this a bit. This is not to say that the portage team does nothing (many members do very little in terms of raw code, myself included which is why I left the project). Features get written, bugs get fixed, new versions get released. However there are what I would call key requirements that Gentoo (the community and developers) require. These requirements are not getting met by the portage team. The common point against this is "developers do what we want, we volunteer"..etc. I would think at this statement the community would look for new team members (recruit) those able to complete the features that are required. You can't bitch at a team that doesn't implement the things that are required. However, you can't depend on a team like that either. That would be like me going to the and making a reasonable request and then being told that "they can't do that they are only volunteers, and hell, it doesn't interest me." The Portage Team should have a duty to the community in this regard. In the end I get a realization that a core team is a better idea than I initially thought. While in some cases turning down a request based on "I'm a volunteer" is a reasonable request, there are areas where this is not a good thing to have happen (Infra, recruiting, PR to some extent, core-utilities). I don't really want to criticize the portage team, it's filled with a bunch of very knowledgeable folks. However I don't think the team as it stands now is helping Gentoo as a whole. It is (as Ciaran mentioned earlier in this thread) only holding Gentoo back. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list