From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GGja9-0002ga-KL for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:51:18 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k7PLoRYE018027; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:50:27 GMT Received: from egr.msu.edu (jeeves.egr.msu.edu [35.9.37.127]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7PLmRkV024901 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:48:27 GMT Received: from [35.11.210.66] (warnera6.user.msu.edu [35.11.210.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by egr.msu.edu (8.13.7/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k7PLmQdT005643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44EF703D.3000006@gentoo.org> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:48:45 -0400 From: Alec Warner Organization: Gentoo User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060612) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet References: <44ECF00D.7050107@gentoo.org> <44EE135A.6010509@gentoo.org> <1156462089.19720.78.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> <44EE8C57.7020301@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <44EE8C57.7020301@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 OpenPGP: id=51C1BC98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 33db6a37-e663-4cb2-9628-5c7fbd690b43 X-Archives-Hash: 5045020c623c74043bbcdfe87f351f87 Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > From what I see, projects are pretty free to govern themselves. How do > you see it differently? > > As Weeve said, he's still trying to get people to stop breaking SPARC > keywords, just like 3 years ago. It's just when trying to do anything > larger than a single project that you run into issues. > > Thanks, > Donnie > Projects that are by intention gentoo-spanning (infra,qa,portage,council) all have issues. QA: QA doesn't want to step on toes, Halcy0n tried to give QA the power to fix things and it failed. Developers (nor gentoo) can say "we want good qa!" but it seemed that the qa as the QA team define{s,d} it was inappropriate, because there were numerous issues. What kind of QA do we want, is a good question; because I don't think anyone here knows, and it's something I'd like to see answered. PORTAGE: Portage developers are afraid to put anything new in the tree for fear of breaking things (and somewhat rightly so). But as noted, it also means you get new stuff very infrequently. I think the portage team has either done a poor job of bringing their issues to the table; or the community has done a poor job addressing them. INFRA: Infra could be so much more as far as giving out access to do stuff, as I see it now you have to be on rather good terms with them to get anything done. However a correlation here I've noted is that people that seem to do work (and get noticed for it) have good relations with infra and those that don't, well don't ;) I don't really have a solution here, I'm not on infra; I realize that you guys maintain a lot of stuff you have very little idea about, when there is a problem in $area, you have a guy to cover that, but that person isn't always available and it creates frustration. I can see why taking on new projects and ideas are difficult given the manpower issues. COUNCIL: The council technically has the authority to do most things, being our elected representatives. They don't do much; mostly this is our fault as the community itself sets their agenda. This is where I think the current system fails, people are afraid to take issues to the council. Part of this is because issue X is "not appropriate for the council", which I think is hogwash in many cases. If they aren't doing anything at these meetings I would think some global issues are being repressed rather than assuming we have none to address (which many would agree is false). If the meeting agenda is empty, give them other issues to work on. -Random Rant Guy -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list