From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GGdbh-0000XV-FT for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:28:29 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k7PFRgU4016470; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:27:42 GMT Received: from pd8mo3no.prod.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.cg.shawcable.net [64.59.134.9]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7PFPOPl014828 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:25:24 GMT Received: from pd6mr4no.prod.shaw.ca (pd6mr4no-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.144.191]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J4K001GA86A3UC0@l-daemon> for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:25:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn7ml2no.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.149.111]) by pd6mr4no.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J4K009D386ATHE0@pd6mr4no.prod.shaw.ca> for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:25:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.112] ([24.79.131.125]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J4K00HI186AZZ70@l-daemon> for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:25:22 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 10:25:21 -0500 From: Mike Bonar Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet In-reply-to: <1156455440.7064.28.camel@edge> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Message-id: <44EF1661.5010601@shaw.ca> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <44ECF00D.7050107@gentoo.org> <44EE1994.5080906@gentoo.org> <1156455440.7064.28.camel@edge> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) X-Archives-Salt: 6cfa3567-87a7-4a5a-b422-104c23b1a01c X-Archives-Hash: 12ce2a658240f201c28611ac9a206dbc Daniel Ostrow wrote: > On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 17:26 -0400, Michael Cummings wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Stuart Herbert wrote: >> > We've had a global vision for where Gentoo is going from before I >> >>> joined - Gentoo is here to create a source-based distribution where >>> each package is as close to what $UPSTREAM intended it to be as >>> possible. We're not trying to take $UPSTREAM packages and innovate >>> with them - we're here to do a first class job of packaging them up. >>> >> Um, that's a mission statement, not a vision. A vision is a series of >> goals for a project, like "my vision is that we will produce knoppix >> like catalyst+template releases for myth, firewalls-on-a-disk, etc by >> the 2007.0 release." a mission statement is "we'll make the best from >> source distro ever." i.e, mission statements never change because they >> are just an overarching definition of a project, not the vision or goal >> it might be working towards at the moment. >> >> somebody shoot me, my job in middle management is finally getting to me. >> > > Exactly... > > Above and beyond that is the next step...once you have a vision...ok so > what do we need to do to further the vision, do we need more devs doing > X, do we need hardware Y, do we need an Ice Cream machine... > > Leadership is way more then just shouting a vision out to the world and > expecting people to hop to it...its about helping facilitate that > visions completion, keeping yourself involved so those working on it > feel involved themselves...leadership is just as much a community > building exercise as any of the rest of it. > > --Dan > Vision says who we are and why we are here. It speaks to our shared values and what makes us a community. Once you have a vision, you need Strategy. A Strategy describes the big plays you are going to make to achieve your vision. Examples might be, "We want to be the biggest distro, or We want to be the most user friendly distro, or We want to capture the enterprise market for Linux, etc. Once you have your Strategy, you need a plan and the plan must match the Strategy. Once you have a plan, you execute. That's what leadership does. My 2 cents. Mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list