From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GGJBL-0001oR-Jb for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:39:56 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k7OHccvb026494; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:38:38 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7OHYUab009630 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:34:36 GMT Received: from [62.147.153.16] (lns-bzn-48f-62-147-153-16.adsl.proxad.net [62.147.153.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2855649D0 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:15:21 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <44EDDE39.6030604@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:13:29 +0200 From: Thierry Carrez Organization: Gentoo Linux User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060704) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet References: <44ECF00D.7050107@gentoo.org> <44EDACD8.6060900@gentoo.org> <20060824145628.5bad7e89@snowdrop.home> <44EDB3A8.5000305@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <44EDB3A8.5000305@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: c7fa7663-1377-4755-b03e-9ee38e5647f8 X-Archives-Hash: e9f1eef2fe0de2e8ccbb1852929b5f89 Lance Albertson wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:42:48 -0500 Lance Albertson >> wrote: >> | I'm afraid those days are in the past unless some kind of fork happens >> | where the folks who think we need a leader go their way and the folks >> | who prefer the leader-by-committee approach go their way. >> >> The two aren't mutually exclusive. A strong council can provide the >> equivalent of a single leader without the problems of what to do when >> the leader gets sick, and with less chance of a screwup because of >> increased discussion. >> >> The problem, of course, is how to get a strong council... > > I partially agree that a strong council will help the situation, but the > problem with any leadership-by-committee model is the lack of quick > decisions. Rather than complaining on how spineless the last Council and ways of getting it stronger, it's interesting to look back at one-year-worth of Council decisions and see where (and by whom) it has been disobeyed. I for one was quite demotivated to see that the Infra team could overrule the Council (and did it twice). Fixing this is the first step in having a strong Council / leader / whatever. -- Koon Member of the last Council -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list