From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GGIXZ-0008Ba-Nz for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:58:50 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k7OGukCm026174; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:56:46 GMT Received: from rs25s9.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (rs25s9.datacenter.cha.cantv.net [200.44.33.101]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7OGrSIP025655 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:53:29 GMT Received: from localhost ([190.37.152.50]) by rs25s9.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.13.4/8.13.0/3.0) with ESMTP id k7OGrR0h005622 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:53:27 -0400 X-Matched-Lists: [] Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GGISS-0001T7-UL for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:53:32 -0400 Message-ID: <44EDD98C.2040909@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:53:32 -0400 From: Luis Francisco Araujo User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060818) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet References: <44ECF00D.7050107@gentoo.org> <44EDACD8.6060900@gentoo.org> <20060824145628.5bad7e89@snowdrop.home> <44EDB3A8.5000305@gentoo.org> <20060824153221.549704c8@snowdrop.home> <44EDBE7E.4040503@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <44EDBE7E.4040503@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on 10.128.1.27 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Archives-Salt: 8faf2334-c593-415b-a0c3-954d70da1802 X-Archives-Hash: 645b065f4a6e2a6f5b2645a96bfa7196 Lance Albertson wrote: > > I thought of that while I was walking to a meeting..heh Basically, > Appoint two people to co-lead, or appoint one Lead and one Vice Lead. > That way there's some kind of accountability on the bare minimum level > and good coverage (hopefully). > I was also thinking about turning the Council into a Leaders Group , or probably to create a new Core Team. Difference being that they would be empowered to take decisions; mainly technical ones. I already can hear some of you worried with questions like "You mean, to have people with no clue of $ to take decisions about $?". Well, first at all, we need to understand and moreover, accept something. If we want to bring real and important changes to the way Gentoo works, we will also need to assume 'real' and important risks. I think that we all pretty much know this, but we are scared of facing this reality and therefore we have incurred to just get a more passive body and 'try' to assume we have already addressed the issue with the Council (nothing against you guys, it is just that the body isn't designed for this). So, now straight to the point, we could elect a Core Team , including people from each team. And those will be the responsible to take Gentoo into new 'realms' , with its 'risks' included. I am also scared about this model .. it might not work , it actually might create the next armageddon for many. But what if it does? , it might help solving this stagnation state Gentoo is facing right now, and bring more new ideas into play. i would give it a chance because my friend, it is the only way to solve the issue. I personally see the Council as a very passive democratic body, which might be good at times; but not always. It is not definitely good for taking new changes and innovations into our community. Something like that anecdote of a tribe invading an island.. after they landed on it, the captain ordered to burn all of the ships.. his soldiers asked him why? .. he said there was only two ways of ending the battle ... death .. or conquering the island. This .. or let's keep running away forever. My two Bs. cents. PS: This was just a general idea. If you are interested about it, let's discuss its implementations details in a constructive way instead of flames about its already possible details. -- Luis F. Araujo "araujo at gentoo.org" Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list