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From: Luis Francisco Araujo <araujo@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:53:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44EDD98C.2040909@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <44EDBE7E.4040503@gentoo.org>

Lance Albertson wrote:
> 
> I thought of that while I was walking to a meeting..heh Basically,
> Appoint two people to co-lead, or appoint one Lead and one Vice Lead.
> That way there's some kind of accountability on the bare minimum level
> and good coverage (hopefully).
> 

I was also thinking about turning the Council into a Leaders Group ,
or probably to create a new Core Team.

Difference being that they would be empowered to take decisions; mainly 
technical ones.

I already can hear some of you worried with questions like "You mean, to 
have people with no clue of $<add-you-favorite-team-here> to take 
decisions about $<add-you-favorite-subject-here>?".

Well, first at all, we need to understand and moreover, accept something.

If we want to bring real and important changes to the way Gentoo works, 
we will also need to assume 'real' and important risks.

I think that we all pretty much know this, but we are scared of facing 
this reality and therefore we have incurred to just get a more passive 
body and 'try' to assume we have already addressed the issue with the 
Council (nothing against you guys, it is just that the body isn't 
designed for this).

So, now straight to the point, we could elect a Core Team , including 
people from each team. And those will be the responsible to take Gentoo 
into new 'realms' , with its 'risks' included. I am also scared about 
this model .. it might not work , it actually might create the next 
armageddon for many. But what if it does? , it might help solving this 
stagnation state Gentoo is facing right now, and bring more new ideas 
into play. i would give it a chance because my friend, it is the only 
way to solve the issue.

I personally see the Council as a very passive democratic body, which 
might be good at times; but not always. It is not definitely good for 
taking new changes and innovations into our community.

Something like that anecdote of a tribe invading an island.. after they 
landed on it, the captain ordered to burn all of the ships.. his 
soldiers asked him why? .. he said there was only two ways of ending the 
battle ... death .. or conquering the island.

This .. or let's keep running away forever.

My two Bs. cents.


PS: This was just a general idea. If you are interested about it, let's 
discuss its implementations details in a constructive way instead of 
flames about its already possible details.

-- 


Luis F. Araujo "araujo at gentoo.org"
Gentoo Linux


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  reply	other threads:[~2006-08-24 16:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-24  0:17 [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet Donnie Berkholz
2006-08-24  2:19 ` Daniel Ostrow
2006-08-24  3:56   ` Joshua Jackson
2006-08-24  6:47 ` Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen
2006-08-24  7:52   ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-08-24  8:29     ` Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen
2006-08-24 20:28       ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-08-24  6:50 ` Wernfried Haas
2006-08-24  7:54   ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-08-24  8:26     ` Wernfried Haas
2006-08-26 20:23       ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-08-24 12:13     ` Carsten Lohrke
2006-08-24 13:35     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-08-24  8:50 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-08-24 10:39   ` Kevin F. Quinn
2006-08-24 15:13   ` Ferris McCormick
2006-08-24 21:00   ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-08-24 23:28     ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-08-25  5:36       ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-08-25  7:35         ` Andrew Cowie
2006-08-25 15:45         ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-08-25 15:55           ` Mike Doty
2006-08-25 16:08             ` Luca Barbato
2006-08-25 16:25           ` Wernfried Haas
2006-08-25 16:35             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-08-25 17:27               ` Wernfried Haas
2006-08-25 18:19                 ` Lance Albertson
2006-08-26  3:53                   ` Wernfried Haas
2006-08-26 13:40                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-08-25 18:39                 ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-08-26  2:41           ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-08-25 21:48         ` Alec Warner
2006-08-26  0:43           ` Alec Warner
2006-08-25 19:41     ` Stuart Herbert
2006-08-25 19:52       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-08-26 20:55       ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-08-25 19:45     ` Stuart Herbert
2006-08-24 21:26   ` Michael Cummings
2006-08-24 21:37     ` Daniel Ostrow
2006-08-25 15:25       ` Mike Bonar
2006-08-24 13:42 ` Lance Albertson
2006-08-24 13:56   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-08-24 14:11     ` Lance Albertson
2006-08-24 14:32       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-08-24 14:58         ` Lance Albertson
2006-08-24 16:53           ` Luis Francisco Araujo [this message]
2006-08-24 18:01             ` Marius Mauch
2006-08-24 18:15               ` Luis Francisco Araujo
2006-08-24 20:09                 ` Marius Mauch
2006-08-24 20:46                   ` Luis Francisco Araujo
2006-08-24 21:51                     ` Marius Mauch
2006-08-24 22:11                       ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-08-26 20:59           ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-08-24 15:17         ` Luca Longinotti
2006-08-24 17:13       ` Thierry Carrez
2006-08-24 17:40         ` Mike Doty
2006-08-24 18:03           ` Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen
2006-08-24 18:14             ` Lance Albertson
2006-08-24 18:27               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-08-24 19:31               ` Homer Parker
2006-08-24 19:53                 ` Lance Albertson
     [not found]               ` <44EDF61C.40303@gentoo.org>
2006-08-24 19:45                 ` Daniel Ostrow
2006-08-24 18:55           ` Alec Warner
2006-08-24 19:55             ` Lance Albertson
2006-08-24 17:42         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-08-24 13:54 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-08-24 22:29   ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-08-25  5:38     ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-08-25 17:13     ` Wernfried Haas
2006-08-25 18:35       ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-08-25 19:49         ` Grant Goodyear
2006-08-26 10:17         ` Wernfried Haas
2006-08-26 13:01           ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-08-26 14:06             ` Stephen P. Becker
2006-08-24 14:32 ` [gentoo-dev] " Dominique Michel
2006-08-26 15:09 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-08-27 11:28 ` Roy Bamford
2006-08-27 21:37   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-08-28 10:20     ` Roy Bamford
2006-09-02  7:55 ` Wiktor Wandachowicz
2006-09-03  3:11   ` Richard Fish
2006-09-03  7:15     ` Wiktor Wandachowicz
2006-09-03 19:29       ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-09-04 22:32         ` Richard Fish
2006-09-03 10:25     ` Luis Francisco Araujo
2006-09-04 22:06       ` Richard Fish

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