From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GGG26-0002WH-Ix for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:18:11 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k7OEH6Ns028669; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:17:06 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7OEEmSi015764 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:15:00 GMT Received: from [129.130.0.170] (unknown [129.130.0.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E69764B35 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <44EDB3A8.5000305@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:11:52 -0500 From: Lance Albertson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060813) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet References: <44ECF00D.7050107@gentoo.org> <44EDACD8.6060900@gentoo.org> <20060824145628.5bad7e89@snowdrop.home> In-Reply-To: <20060824145628.5bad7e89@snowdrop.home> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig4120C79567D351E81FE5A961" X-Archives-Salt: 830025ed-88c5-4f9f-b487-78ec051157df X-Archives-Hash: e4fb4efd800fe173ebc227e717fce8e5 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig4120C79567D351E81FE5A961 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:42:48 -0500 Lance Albertson > wrote: > | I'm afraid those days are in the past unless some kind of fork happen= s > | where the folks who think we need a leader go their way and the folks= > | who prefer the leader-by-committee approach go their way. >=20 > The two aren't mutually exclusive. A strong council can provide the > equivalent of a single leader without the problems of what to do when > the leader gets sick, and with less chance of a screwup because of > increased discussion. >=20 > The problem, of course, is how to get a strong council... I partially agree that a strong council will help the situation, but the problem with any leadership-by-committee model is the lack of quick decisions. Many times things come up that need a quick resolution (when I say quick, I mean within a few days). And if you have a committee of 7 or so people that live in several different timezones, its extremely hard to get them together to discuss it all. The council has its merits, but it also has its weaknesses, this one being one of them. I think I mentioned 6mo ago that we could keep the council, but select one person to sort of be the "operational lead" to make quick decisions so that development moves on. This type of person can try and get all the opinions of the council members and make a decision based on that. If they screw up, then the council can demote the person and find someone else. Of course, this won't cover the "what if they screw up so badly that it hurts Gentoo long term?" but that's where the level of trust needs to be applied to your leaders. If you voted on them to be on the council, you should trust at least one of them to make daily decisions for the good of the council. --=20 Lance Albertson Gentoo Infrastructure | Operations Manager --- GPG Public Key: Key fingerprint: 0423 92F3 544A 1282 5AB1 4D07 416F A15D 27F4 B742 ramereth/irc.freenode.net --------------enig4120C79567D351E81FE5A961 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFE7bOoQW+hXSf0t0IRAs0XAJ9keqnjuK2k/dVjDQtVNs/S5F3fBwCglOO+ poAY2UbhWo/1zKHg3rLWjNg= =lTFU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig4120C79567D351E81FE5A961-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list