From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GG6Mw-0007lN-6W for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 03:59:02 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k7O3wEBq000774; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 03:58:14 GMT Received: from flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com (flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.70]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7O3uLmA024397 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 03:56:21 GMT X-ORBL: [69.229.52.41] Received: from [10.0.0.16] (adsl-69-229-52-41.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net [69.229.52.41]) by flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com (8.13.7 out spool5000 dk/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k7O3uFSp014925 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:56:15 -0700 Message-ID: <44ED2364.6020400@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:56:20 -0700 From: Joshua Jackson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060804) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet References: <44ECF00D.7050107@gentoo.org> <1156385980.6774.27.camel@Leo> In-Reply-To: <1156385980.6774.27.camel@Leo> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 722d7991-91c6-4e16-8a0c-dbf0f482949f X-Archives-Hash: 2363617a3de8be6f8d00de6fff618489 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Daniel Ostrow wrote: > > >> If I could go back in time a couple of years and prevent this democracy >> from ever happening, I would. If I could fix these problems myself, I >> would. But it requires buy-in from the entire Gentoo community if we're >> to do anything about it. > > > > First of suffice it to say that many a time in the past (and that is sad > to say as I have only been a dev for just over two years) I have been > privy to whispered murmurs that happen in back rooms behind closed > doors. These whispers have always come about when one of the > aforementioned log threads have come about and the penultimate > conclusion of every one is that the problem that Gentoo presently faces > is in fact too much freedom. I think we all hear some of the back room mummers depending on who we talk to. Some of us hear more then others, some less. However, we all have friends that we feel that we can talk to fairly freely about these issues. > Bitching and complaining be > damned; part of what paralyzes us is an acquiescence to that vocal > minority. None of us want to deal with hearing the outcry so no-one does > what is needed. Basically I'm saying that while some level of acceptance > has to come from the community as a whole and some level of it has to > come from the top down whatever the outcome. I'm going to call bullshit on this one, I don't believe you have 4 fours (i have one!). Erm, what this isn't the game of bullshit? Oh well...erm *runs* Its not that no one wants to do anything, its that they've seen that if someone does stand up and take on the vocal minority. That being that they are the ones that actually get beaten up by the very ones who acquiescence and allow that minority to continue to do what they do. If you have an issue, stand up and quite honestly, have the balls to take the issue up with the people you have it with. I full expect people to come talk to me if they have issues, with me or anyone. I'm willing to listen either way. I'd like to think everyone else feels the same. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE7SNkSENan+PfizARApcrAKCV+tUY4YZH4wmX4TKiZ/r4DzJasQCfWgEl mk0ue4LQpdj6R+Aw49U/5zM= =eaK/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list