From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GG5g6-0000Ls-PO for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 03:14:47 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k7O3Dv7B024720; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 03:13:57 GMT Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7O3BY4Q008720 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 03:11:35 GMT Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so410201uge for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:11:34 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; b=kuK3VXiZOGMC9fLBsqubBgB5Fk3yIyKadij07w81r6j2n01GECnIUgMjZcfc/ItMhZbZYDGFsEnkLlOh/ku4kFHVjQuG9UboGZCDqM1ZyU/YfV6BtL28zwwGjwBLbv44YMbcuNEbpWcCfoKi9aYOgnfCslriAyyDqP2M9LLzEyw= Received: by 10.67.101.10 with SMTP id d10mr620344ugm; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:11:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.101? ( [68.8.82.214]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q1sm1249400uge.2006.08.23.20.11.32; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44ED18E2.7010103@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:11:30 -0700 From: Josh Saddler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060719) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die. References: <1156365020.13743.15.camel@darksytem> <200608232007.53116.vapier@gentoo.org> <1156387789.13743.23.camel@darksytem> In-Reply-To: <1156387789.13743.23.camel@darksytem> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 OpenPGP: id=DF358FBE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Jack Dark X-Archives-Salt: 98d54e25-ba1c-4203-96bb-545dc4063564 X-Archives-Hash: 7fa351e28dd989c8ac43379ce7864e99 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Luis Medinas wrote: > On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 20:07 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> On Wednesday 23 August 2006 16:30, Luis Medinas wrote: >>> So i'm asking for a solution either remove xmms, move the maintainer for >>> anyone who volunteer or the sound herd. >> no one has answered the previous problems ... xmms is the only audioplayer >> that actually works on some platforms ... >> > Most of the gstreamer audio players works just like xine-lib based. > >> plus, has the audacious/gcc-4.1 issues been worked out ? >> >>> My plans now is replace xmms for xmms2 (that i would like to take the >>> maintainership). Opinions ? Ideas ? >> even if you were to do that right now, xmms2 isnt even close to being ready to >> replace xmms > > Yes you are right but atm xmms is obsolete and there is place for > another player. Xmms2 is a good player that needs of course ages of > development to be able to be like xmms. Please don't remove it, and don't replace it with xmms2. There are far too many media type plugins that work for xmms that audacious and similar players can't handle. Also, will xmms plugins even work in xmms2? And isn't xmms2 still a command line-only application? Not what users need or want. Perhaps the most compelling reason to keep xmms around and *not* use xmms2 is the one you just made: > Xmms2 is a good player that needs of course ages of > development to be able to be like xmms. So, don't dump a product that's not even near alpha status on users. If we want to keep using software that's old, but works just fine, why force a really stupid switch? Can you provide a list of open fairly important bugs for xmms that provide good examples of why you don't want to maintain it? Just so we can see your reasoning. You may think xmms is obsolete, but it has a pretty decent niche among the available player choices; I know I'm not alone in my affinity for it. Please keep it. At the very least, if it has to go, don't dump a half-assed alternative like xmms2 on the users -- sure, xmm2 shows a lot of promise, but it's simply not ready. xmms is stable; might as well keep it around until we're so far into future gcc versions that it (and gtk-1) just won't compile any longer on any arch. ;) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFE7RjhrsJQqN81j74RAj6DAKCbAM79wAE1JI42q6+L8Vaak9LPKwCfQ2bB vVoxumBcHPZbVmE0dMtsto8= =qVNx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list