From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1G8eoS-00008V-Ks for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:08:41 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k73F7qNx014448; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:07:52 GMT Received: from smtp.top-hosting.cz (gw.top-hosting.cz [81.0.254.91]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k73F61IT011725 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:06:01 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.top-hosting.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14BA653567E for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 17:06:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.top-hosting.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.top-hosting.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15990-03 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 17:05:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (7.201.broadband6.iol.cz [88.101.201.7]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.top-hosting.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190155350D8 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 17:05:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <44D210C7.90902@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:05:43 +0200 From: Jakub Moc User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060719) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for August References: <20060801093001.C97C864465@smtp.gentoo.org> <44D1BFFD.4040303@gentoo.org> <1154607828.23292.5.camel@localhost> <44D1F4EF.3000209@gentoo.org> <1154612153.17538.26.camel@onyx> <44D20317.6030000@gentoo.org> <1154616531.28858.53.camel@onyx> In-Reply-To: <1154616531.28858.53.camel@onyx> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 OpenPGP: url=http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCEBA3D9E Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-ripemd160; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigDF87D6BD6D1067D232A8A050" X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.3.3 (20050822) at top-hosting.cz X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.98 tagged_above=-999 required=6 tests=[AWL=-0.981, BAYES_50=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.98 X-Spam-Level: X-Archives-Salt: 6c8edcca-895c-498b-832e-9271583bb4cd X-Archives-Hash: 6cd8fedc50298b4e60c0bd0ce1faa92d This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigDF87D6BD6D1067D232A8A050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ned Ludd wrote: > On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 16:07 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote: >> Because it's been broken for ages? Because I've asked the same on the >> bug I've referred to multiple times, as did quite a few other people, >> and the thing is still dead ~3 hours a day? (So uhm, the argument that= >> infra doesn't know about is _really_ moot.) Because users complain ove= r >> and over again? Because we are getting tons of duplicate bugs due to >> bugzilla being non-responsive?=20 >=20 > Ok this is basically bitching. Trust me we all know the current state=20 > of things with bugzilla and it's not fun for anybody. I'm sure=20 > however if you practice a little patience I'm sure you will be=20 > quite pleased with the end result. A little patience? As in half year is not enough? >> Because it's wasting hours of my time >> every day? Because if CVS was in the same state, you'd about have a >> revolution by now? >=20 > I think you might be misunderstanding the role that the council plays. = > It's a body for technical matters that effect the mainly "the code".=20 > Daily matters of infrastructure are handled by our infra team naturally= =2E > Funding for hardware is approved by the foundation. Well, I think council should care about things that affect Gentoo as a whole, and apparently that's not just me: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/ The elected Gentoo Council decides on global issues and policies that affect multiple projects in Gentoo. Broken bugzilla affects every ebuild dev, affects GDP, affects bug wranglers, affects anyone else who's using it to track outstanding project issues. How is this continuous borkage not a global issue that council should discuss? > You must live in that town where spare hardware and administrators=20 > grow on the trees. No, not really. Just that I'd expect kinda more proactive approach than the one demonstrated fex. in http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D128588#c29 (and a bit more flexible approach to other alternatives, such as HW/hosting offers we've received before) and that have been declined for various strange reasons.= --=20 Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:jakub@gentoo.org GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dget&search=3D0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3= D9E ... still no signature ;) --------------enigDF87D6BD6D1067D232A8A050 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFE0hDMhxfV/c66PZ4RAwUuAJ0UQqLYEYzE3D7t52Iw+TqzTUky8QCfV2xN Nd1CbdrbxzyjTo98xompV8M= =8aNW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigDF87D6BD6D1067D232A8A050-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list