From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Fy7pv-0002Z0-J7 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 13:54:40 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k65Dne0p018732; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:49:40 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65DcloH006562 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:38:48 GMT Received: from [129.130.0.165] (align.cns.ksu.edu [129.130.0.165]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4697364460 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <44ABC0E2.1000407@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:38:42 -0500 From: Lance Albertson User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Macintosh/20060530) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing References: <20060628195412.11a8477d@c1358217.kevquinn.com> <20060628192000.GA16426@kfk4ever.com> <20060629001752.01c9e617@c1358217.kevquinn.com> <20060701111437.0ed09223@c1358217.kevquinn.com> <1151848708.9102.10.camel@vertigo.twi-31o2.org> <44AA9076.5010001@gentoo.org> <44AA8A69.7000103@gentoo.org> <1152104430.21775.25.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> <20060705131918.GA8423@seldon> In-Reply-To: <20060705131918.GA8423@seldon> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.2.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig2373FC14554393B5232EE658" X-Archives-Salt: 68960f01-a846-4b2a-bf10-63a3f1670d02 X-Archives-Hash: b74304e63804d1dcc156a0fc45a9986e This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig2373FC14554393B5232EE658 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brian Harring wrote: > On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 09:00:29AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: >> On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 18:34 +0300, Marius Mauch wrote: >>> Patrick McLean schrieb: >>>> I have absolutely zero experience with catalyst, but couldn't it be = made >>>> to create a source CD ISO when it is generating the binary one? Just= >>>> make a cd with all the distfiles used in the ISO, and keep the sourc= e >>>> ISO with the binary one in /historical. >>> Creating an ISO isn't a problem (assuming you have the sources, which= =20 >>> for historical releases might be a problem), but it would require=20 >>> another several hundred megabytes per release on the mirrors which is= n't=20 >>> exactly a trivial amount. >> No, it would almost double the space used by the release. Current >> releases use about 12-14G of space. Doubling that would mean reducing= >> the amount of stuff we're allowed to distribute dramatically, >> essentially crippling our release capabilities. >=20 > Stupid question, but the master mirroring setup actually holds onto=20 > files after it moves them off of the gentoo mirror tier- purgatory=20 > dir. >=20 > Why not just make that dir accessible via web/torrent/whatever on=20 > a seperate server? Abusing osprey for it is a bit much (mainly infra=20 > has asked to wipe files from the purgatory dir in the past, which is a = > no go), so seperate probably is wise. No way in hell are we running such a service on the master mirror. I don't see why we need to have a public system setup as long as we can provide the source when asked. As far as a I know, the GPL doesn't dicate that we have to provide the sources in an internet media form. They just need to be available when requested. Perhaps we can have a document that explains a process for getting said sources. I don't see the point of creating a torrent/whatever system just for the rare instances that people want the older source. Way too much overhead for something I don't see being used much. If it gets to be used more, then we can possibly think about making a system, but I don't think it warrants it right off. We haven't gotten a request for old sources (from my memory) ever. > Further filtering of the files to those under gpl (pulled from pkg=20 > metadata) is doable, just would need to mangle mirror-dist a bit to=20 > maintain long term info about who owned what (instead of it's current=20 > "out of sight, out of the db" approach). >=20 > Just a thought- machinery is mostly there, might as well abuse it. A lot of the stuff that's currently in the purgatory area also includes sources for stuff we didn't make (upstream sources, etc). If you can separate those files from Gentoo specific files, then it would be much easier to manag (from an admin point of view). Its not practical to assume we have an infinite amount of space. --=20 Lance Albertson Gentoo Infrastructure | Operations Manager --- GPG Public Key: Key fingerprint: 0423 92F3 544A 1282 5AB1 4D07 416F A15D 27F4 B742 ramereth/irc.freenode.net --------------enig2373FC14554393B5232EE658 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEq8DkQW+hXSf0t0IRAlXaAKC+PFkzTqI2SkH6ddp+LEQ37bYQ1wCfaAy6 fK3xOv6WKbsmauyKWN5EddU= =vPN/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig2373FC14554393B5232EE658-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list