From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FnVPd-0007aF-Ee for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:51:37 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k566ogMj013970; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:50:42 GMT Received: from smtp.ufl.edu (smtp02.osg.ufl.edu [128.227.74.165]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k566mbq3003227 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:48:38 GMT Received: from [192.168.2.50] (huntersrun-cm-241.usa2net.net [207.40.203.241]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.ufl.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/2.5.1) with ESMTP id k566mYdJ4092086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 02:48:35 -0400 Message-ID: <44852513.70700@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 02:47:47 -0400 From: Doug Goldstein User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060603) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Default useflag cleanups: -apm -foomaticdb -fortran -imlib -motif -oss -xmms References: <1149557038.25202.5.camel@vertigo.twi-31o2.org> <1149561092.32625.6.camel@vertigo.twi-31o2.org> In-Reply-To: <1149561092.32625.6.camel@vertigo.twi-31o2.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 OpenPGP: id=8B4264CB; url=http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/cardoe.asc Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigF84F15A6C4861D704D221CA7" X-Spam-Status: hits=0, required=5, tests= X-UFL-Spam-Status: hits=0, required=5, tests= X-Scanned-By: CNS Open Systems Group (http://open-systems.ufl.edu/services/smtp-relay/) X-UFL-Scanned-By: CNS Open Systems Group (http://open-systems.ufl.edu/services/smtp-relay/) X-Archives-Salt: 8e481044-8482-442e-a9f4-fc4b88e92938 X-Archives-Hash: 82fc35d6b988e0028e1016a569bcde13 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigF84F15A6C4861D704D221CA7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 04:10 +0200, Stefan Schweizer wrote: >>> There are *many* applications in the tree that do not use ALSA, but w= ork >>> only via the OSS emulation. Removing this is a bad idea and it would= >>> definitely be blocked by the games team. Probably half of the packag= es >>> that I maintain require OSS capabilities. >> but they do not require an oss use flag. The point of removing this fl= ag is >> to remove "optional" oss support. >=20 > Umm... you don't know what you're talking about. The "optional" OSS > support is in ALSA. The packages have required OSS for sound support. >=20 >> Have a look at http://gentoo-portage.com/Search?search=3D&use=3Doss fo= r the >> useage of this flag. >=20 > I know what the flag is used for, and I'm not removing it. >=20 >> And for your games argument. The games ebuilds from the above list I h= ave >> looked at, provide both the "alsa" and the "oss" use flag, as do most >> really. >=20 > Do you even know what you're talking about? Have you tried Quake 3? > Enemy Territory? Have you noticed that they don't have sound, at all, > without OSS emulation? You do know how OSS emulation is turned on, > correct? >=20 > Please do me a favor and quit wasting my time and yours trying to tell > me what the packages that I maintain support. >=20 >> It is not about removing OSS emulation, it is about removing duplicate= d >> backends. >=20 > You're simply wrong. >=20 >>> So does anyone have any objections to the others being removed? >>> (apm imlib mikmod motif xmms) >> foomaticdb is missing here, I hope you will not forget it >=20 > It isn't the the desktop profile. It was in the 2006.1 profile, which > is desktop's parent. >=20 I think this is a perfect time to point out the past discussions about trying to be polite to fellow developers and the community at large. There's no reason to try to constantly point out "you're an idiot and I'm so great. I wield the power!" Stefan made suggestions in good intentions. Lot's of us have the same suggestions, however he actually had the initiative to bring them up and offer to help fix them based on what was decided upon. Every step along the way you've tried to bash him and highlight your greatness. Get down off your pedestal... we're all developers here. All contributing to the greater good. Accept the help and move on. --=20 Doug Goldstein http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/ --------------enigF84F15A6C4861D704D221CA7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEhSU3oeSe8B0zEfwRAi4kAJ0bhZFkZWrWJqjjc4HQB1YKkkvbJACeIvop Xus9qzK79gNx2etWCe/B+qs= =6ufF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigF84F15A6C4861D704D221CA7-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list