From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1FSJAJ-0002gv-IK for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:32:11 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.5) with SMTP id k38JVunt003871; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:31:56 GMT Received: from pproxy.gmail.com (pproxy.gmail.com [64.233.166.178]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k38JTfJN026817 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:29:42 GMT Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i49so779086pye for ; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:29:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=awzzsU1IX1I/hOayLTcnZRQJpLCoMxUe1oG2YWSeX37CmCKLjZIxRHWWhydFOZxJ3eSiHpzFMnBWotHOfoa1xe0YzSuuxN59SLZfW8bTnxp847cPg0bYfJvbnbrlsncdIQ1xpOUc5UuRwbcwtGM8XE8gH9wjfSZiuSsnA/Hv29M= Received: by 10.35.103.12 with SMTP id f12mr2026397pym; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.10.50? ( [67.167.103.39]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id b43sm8264pyb.2006.04.08.12.29.40; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44380F1C.4080109@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 14:29:32 -0500 From: lnxg33k User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060404) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving Gentoo User Relations References: <1144377010.5485.82.camel@gaspode> <9445dc2b0604070151t68e184fdo3601938bb52d0871@mail.gmail.com> <20060407100728.1a5a01d0@snowdrop.home> In-Reply-To: <20060407100728.1a5a01d0@snowdrop.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 34ee3a84-3422-48f1-a9a4-097ce6bc1a78 X-Archives-Hash: d8a3f0c36d71a308ee5815f4f339b652 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:51:58 +0100 "Christopher O'Neill" > wrote: > | Ideally, what I'd like is for the various dev teams to compile a > | weekly status report, which could then be compiled into the weekly > | newsletter (which currently seems to be lacking much useful > | information). It would be great if we (the users) could find out > | what's going on behind the scenes of our favourite distribution. > > The problem with this is... Once someone says "we're working on $x", > they're continuously pestered about it by users asking when it will be > ready. Given how few of us are paid to work specific hours on Gentoo > things, it's very easy for provisional release dates to be missed -- > and when half of a developer's time is spent responding to questions > about where $x is and why an early test of $x pulled out of a > supposedly "not for end users" repo broke their system and the other > half is spent writing status updates it's pretty much impossible to get > anything out consistently. Personally, I think this could be lessened by clear documenation. I know it's mentioned in the handbook, but a dedicated topic on "why packages disappear and how to find out why" would be invaluable. This would also help if meaningful notes were added by the dev's on *why* a package was pulled. It isn't a enough for some users to hear "it's broke". What if they want to help? Providing more info in the changelog/p.mask or in package notes (I believe something like this was mentioned some time ago in trying to help facilitate new devs coming up to speed on projects). Also, if there was a single place for info about this, devs would have a helpful place to link people instead of flaming/ignoring or writing out answers to the same old questions. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list