From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1FSIov-0001iD-Fy for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:10:05 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.5) with SMTP id k38J9xgU009974; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:09:59 GMT Received: from pproxy.gmail.com (pproxy.gmail.com [64.233.166.177]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k38J8BZu018663 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:08:12 GMT Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i49so777018pye for ; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:08:10 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bhZvuKMiaNlnPEFD19yLZ/8rP2z2yS7aCgkD19xSNXsWSlGtN8IPEd/UvlzPTdgtCnQtNgvVRKMdwYxmYMT8qmZ9GkCL07VDHBr7MiJqvXEdRy6Ef61giujIXjISWqIaR2VIJyzcx/gL6BVBn2k4r1koqKS/kKSsDDkdXv4sf1g= Received: by 10.35.70.17 with SMTP id x17mr37598pyk; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.10.50? ( [67.167.103.39]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y78sm27043pyg.2006.04.08.12.08.10; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44380A0F.6000501@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 14:07:59 -0500 From: lnxg33k User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060404) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Improving Gentoo User Relations References: <1144377010.5485.82.camel@gaspode> <20060407102154.4690b806@snowdrop.home> In-Reply-To: <20060407102154.4690b806@snowdrop.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 9818aef0-cea5-48d5-bb0b-9d3eeb6433f5 X-Archives-Hash: 9b382d51e5803e57a824bd4805353f77 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > * If we're looking to increase the flow of end users -> super users -> > developers, perhaps we should focus more upon improving development > tools or development documentation. I'm a little late jumping into this and I haven't read all the threads yet, however I agree with Ciaran here. From a user who wishes to progress, this particular point is something I can relate to. Consolidating docs into a single place, getting rid of stale stuff, and updating the old would do a lot to bring users up-to-speed. By providing docs, users who wish to take the initiative can do so. Once they learn the lingo and system, they can better offer their services and it would decrease frustration on the devs part concerning ignorant (not demeaning, but fact) users. Improving development tools helps, but also making them available where applicable. I'm thinking more along the lines of scripts located on dev spaces as applications like catalyst are already available. Stuff that normally is considered "developer only" should be opened up so that users can get a better sense of what is actually going on; this would lessen the degree of naiveness. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list